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City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by KaiserPro »

ses1984 wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is the camera there in the first place?? I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices) I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has ma…

Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.

here its mostly mobile phones.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by chneu »

john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…

Answer to 1 is simple and obvious based on Flocks previous actions: they have no idea what they are doing and are reacting instead of planning.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by l72 »

bluGill wrote: post #19
aleksiy123 wrote: post #3

While I think this isn’t great. Why is the camera there in the first place?? Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras. I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

Any sane business that has lots of random people coming in will have cameras recording (except in bathrooms/locker rooms). There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. If something happens you pull up the feed from the last month and give the interesting parts to the police; most often you just delete everything after a month. More than one crime has been solved this way. That said, if there wasn't…

The problem isn't having cameras. Its that these cameras should be closed circuit with data residing locally, not being sent to a 3rd party that has full access to the video streams, and who processes them, combines them with other parties, resells data from them, or hands them over without a warrant!

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by antiframe »

tedggh wrote: post #27
ses1984 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.

Looting is done for fun too. It must suck to have kids show up for practice in the morning and some of the essential gear is gone. It doesn’t matter if it is inexpensive to replace, you still have to cancel class and take a day or two up replace it, file a police report, etc

Right, but why is a Flock camera a better approach than: insurance, on-prem camera, etc. The Flock camera doesn't prevent theft. It increases remote viewing (especially if it's used in a demo to strangers they aren't customers yet, doubly especially if those strange customers are doing it because the might want to see young gymnasts)

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by cyberax »

fragmede wrote: post #16
driverdan wrote: post #10

Meanwhile YC President Garry Tan continues to support and defend Flock. I'm curious how he'd spin this as a good thing.

If a school shooter was in your children's daycare, wouldn't you want there to be cameras so you knew where they were? ...is how I imagine that one goes.

So you can then watch the shooting in nice graphic details, right? Or do you want cameras integrated with remote-controlled machine guns?

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by Symbiote »

ses1984 wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is the camera there in the first place?? I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices) I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has ma…

Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.

Possibly as a deterrent to a child (or adult) going through clothing/bags and stealing mobile phones while the owners are exercising.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by SauntSolaire »

themafia wrote: post #25
bluGill wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any sane business that has lots of random people coming in will have cameras recording (except in bathrooms/locker rooms). There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. If something happens you pull up the feed from the last month and give the interesting parts to the police; most often you just delete everything after a month. More than one crime has been solved this way. That said, if there wasn't…

> There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. The camera doesn't prevent crime. It just displaces it. Even when it doesn't it will not prevent the crime from happening. It _may_ provide you an opportunity to prosecute the person who committed it. In reality the only real reason to have one is to reduce your insurance premiums. > crime has been solved A perpetrator was potentially caught and now ha…

> The camera doesn't prevent crime. It just displaces it.

That's why I periodically leave a bunch of bicycles with cheap locks downtown. They act like a kind of criminal sacrificial anode, reducing crime in the rest of the city.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by RandallBrown »

ses1984 wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is the camera there in the first place?? I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices) I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has ma…

Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.

Robbery may not be the main reason for a camera. Having a video of any incident that happens (broken equipment leading to injury, angry parent, etc.) would be valuable.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by jjmarr »

ses1984 wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is the camera there in the first place?? I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices) I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has ma…

Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.

It's the Marcus Jewish Community Center of Atlanta.

Jewish Community Centers are targeted more for attacks than a YMCA.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Post by collingreen »

throw848tjfj wrote: post #15
aleksiy123 wrote: post #3

While I think this isn’t great. Why is the camera there in the first place?? Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras. I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

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What does this have to do with cameras covering little kids doing gymnastics?

I'm sorry you had a bad experience and using cameras to protect yourself is a thing but filming kids doing gymnastics seems very very far from purely defensive.

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