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After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

ZyanWu wrote: post #15
concinds wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These models demonstrably have good vulnerability research capabilities. I'm sure their marketing department is ecstatic but you guys are far more hype-based than what you're calling out.

> demonstrably I'm not entirely up to date on each week's LLM hype train/scandal but last I heard there was no public access to it or public-trusted 3rd parties that can review model's capabilities

You are up to date. Mythos had unauthorized access because of poor security but that's it as far as I know. Not exactly a good sign for something being advertised as a weapon...

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by bryancoxwell »

le-mark wrote: post #28

It’s clear at this point local models are sufficient so what gives? These big providers don’t have a leg to stand on. Their only path to relevance is super ai that local models can’t run. So the “we have it but you can’t use it” is either true or a con. I bet it’s a con. I personally am ready to buy the drop when this bubble pops.

I’m not up to date on local models, but is that clear?

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by giwook »

michelb wrote: post #27
apples_oranges wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk about Altman, I missed that he’s a bad guy now apparently, but people also still listen to certain politicians that routinely lie every day and don’t even bother to make the lies fit the other ones they said before, so..

Has there been a single positive post about Altman?

I wonder what that says about Altman.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by giwook »

GuB-42 wrote: post #25
apples_oranges wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk about Altman, I missed that he’s a bad guy now apparently, but people also still listen to certain politicians that routinely lie every day and don’t even bother to make the lies fit the other ones they said before, so..

Altman played no small part in the current price of RAM. He told everyone he would buy 40% of all the RAM, causing shortages and a huge increase in price, just to take it back a few months later. So yeah, he is a bad guy now. People don't become bad guys just because they lie. The consequences of their actions (and their lies) matter more. Take Elon Musk for instance, he has always been a recognized liar, even when h…

That's far from the only reason why he's "a bad guy" now.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by giwook »

xandrius wrote: post #16
apples_oranges wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk about Altman, I missed that he’s a bad guy now apparently, but people also still listen to certain politicians that routinely lie every day and don’t even bother to make the lies fit the other ones they said before, so..

You missed literally every single post/article about the guy?

More likely that confirmation bias acted as a filter.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by giwook »

cmiles8 wrote: post #23
jurgenburgen wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s great but who will pay for all the data center debt?

The debt goes bad and those that issued the debt absorb losses. Many that went in deep lose their shirts. Thats how this stuff works, although there’s a whole generation that’s not seen the back side of a bubble and seems to think there’s no such thing as a downside.

Just their shirts?

I'd rather lose my pants if I had to lose anything, so then I'd still be presentable for Zoom calls.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by [deleted] »

bryancoxwell wrote: post #32
le-mark wrote: post #28

It’s clear at this point local models are sufficient so what gives? These big providers don’t have a leg to stand on. Their only path to relevance is super ai that local models can’t run. So the “we have it but you can’t use it” is either true or a con. I bet it’s a con. I personally am ready to buy the drop when this bubble pops.

I’m not up to date on local models, but is that clear?

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Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by le-mark »

bryancoxwell wrote: post #32
le-mark wrote: post #28

It’s clear at this point local models are sufficient so what gives? These big providers don’t have a leg to stand on. Their only path to relevance is super ai that local models can’t run. So the “we have it but you can’t use it” is either true or a con. I bet it’s a con. I personally am ready to buy the drop when this bubble pops.

I’m not up to date on local models, but is that clear?

Local models are 6-12 months behind the “frontier” models. This mean anthropic, openai, and google don’t have a moat, they’re on a treadmill running to stay ahead. Treadmills don’t justify their valuation.

Re: After dissing Anthropic for limiting Mythos, OpenAI restricts access to Cyber

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Post by authnopuz »

concinds wrote: post #12
2ndorderthought wrote: post #2

"my model is the most dangerous" "No mine is the most dangerous" "Nuh uh mine is" "Mine could kill everyone!" "Mine could do it faster!" "Prove it!!!" This is where we are

These models demonstrably have good vulnerability research capabilities. I'm sure their marketing department is ecstatic but you guys are far more hype-based than what you're calling out.

Good but not necessarily better that was is already pay-as-you-go available today. ref. https://www.flyingpenguin.com/the-boy-that-cried-mythos-veri...

This AISLE benchmark is interesting in this matter: https://aisle.com/blog/ai-cybersecurity-after-mythos-the-jag...

And the recently discovered Copy Fail by Xint code is another proof that the gating is overblown: https://xint.io/blog/copy-fail-linux-distributions

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