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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by jrm4 »

Interesting people talking about whether they should be "defended," here or whatnot, and all of that strikes me as wildly naive.

They have a business model that's more or less known, and that includes THEIR AI model(s) that they get to put out there however they want. I don't like it much at all, I actually sort of like the idea that they "owe" more because they probably "stole" a bunch of stuff to get the thing going.

But I mean, don't be mad, be proactive. Anthropic is going to try to Microsoft this in whatever way possible, and we all see that the numbers don't really add up.

Asking them pretty please to be nicer, meh. Let's figure out better, and more free-software-like ways to do this.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by regexorcist »

klaussilveira wrote: post #23
regexorcist wrote: post #17

Things like these (Google also banned me from Antigravity for briefly using an agent) and the massive quality swings made me cancel all 3 subs last week and resort to my local Qwen 3.6 only. Open models are already great and only getting better, and I really enjoy the privacy and consistency of a model I run myself.

How much VRAM do you need to achieve decent performance?

I have a 64GB M1 Ultra dedicated to llama.cpp. I get 40 tok/s on a fresh session, decreasing slowly to about 25 tok/s at around 50% of the 256K context, then down to 20 tok/s or less beyond that, but I rarely let it go much higher and handoff instead. This is whith Qwen 36B A3B at 8Q without KV quantization. It's not super fast but perfectly usable for me.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by Oras »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28
jp57 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha. Yes. "Speedrunning enshittification" is the phrase that's been in my head. The flat-rate plans were the top of the slippery slope to enshittification, really. If everyone were on metered billing there'd be no reason for all these opaque and sneaky attempts to limit usage. People would pay for what they get and get what they pay for.

There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when…

LLM serving startup => bootstrapped => extremely profitable

Mind sharing a link?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by NitpickLawyer »

speedgoose wrote: post #2

At least we can assume that Anthropic eats their own dog food. They use Claude to develop their software.

You say that like it's a gotcha. I think the fact that they reached 2B/mo in revenue by dogfooding cc is all the proof that one needs that this thing actually works. In fact it works so well that more people want it than they can serve. For months now they've been having issues when EU and US tz are both online at the same time.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by dmd »

jrm4 wrote: post #30
SeanAnderson wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is questioning all the benefits of using local LLMs. Those are readily apparent. I just don't believe for an instant that they're anywhere in the same ballpark of capabilities as running Opus or similar. My time is the most valuable resource. Opus would need to be SIGNIFICANTLY more costly and unstable for me to start entertaining local models for day-to-day development. Perhaps whatever work you…

But, you know, Yet.

For now we infer through few weights, lossily; but then in full precision. Now I represent in part; but then shall I represent as fully as the data was sampled.

1 CorinthAIns 13:12

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by petcat »

rexpop wrote: post #26
esperent wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pet peeve of mine is people saying "hey this thing is totally shady/false, I've got proof right here links to hour long podcast >". It happens surprisingly often.

Cal Newport and tech commentator Ed Zitron discussed this disparity between Anthropic's public image and their actual practices. Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has been deeply integrated with the US military, having been installed with classified access since…

> Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors.

Anthropic has taken 10s of billions from investors just like everyone else has. There is no such thing as "ethics" or "morality" when the scale of obligation is that large.

So yes, this is obvious despite whatever image they try to cultivate.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by pkulak »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #28
jp57 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha. Yes. "Speedrunning enshittification" is the phrase that's been in my head. The flat-rate plans were the top of the slippery slope to enshittification, really. If everyone were on metered billing there'd be no reason for all these opaque and sneaky attempts to limit usage. People would pay for what they get and get what they pay for.

There is nothing wrong with flat-rate plans. I work at an LLM-serving startup, and am aware of at least three competitors, that (a) provide flat rate subs (b) are extremely profitable and (c) are bootstrapped, ie. not beholden to investors (there are also many other competitors but I can't ascertain their profitability or investment status). You simply need to price the flat-rate sub at a price that's profitable when…

I also assume that forcing usage to spread out, via those 5-hour windows, has cost advantages.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by theplatman »

dmd wrote: post #3

I really want to stick with A\ given everything known about Altman, but man are they speedrunning the "how to destroy your reputation" guidebook.

they are essentially Lyft in early Uber vs. Lyft days. They are marketing themselves vaguely as being "better" because they're "more ethical" but their actions make it clear that they're not much better than OAI.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by rickydroll »

rexpop wrote: post #26
esperent wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pet peeve of mine is people saying "hey this thing is totally shady/false, I've got proof right here links to hour long podcast >". It happens surprisingly often.

Cal Newport and tech commentator Ed Zitron discussed this disparity between Anthropic's public image and their actual practices. Despite cultivating a reputation as the "ethical" AI company, Zitron argues that Anthropic's actions show they are just as ruthless and ethically questionable as their competitors. Anthropic has been deeply integrated with the US military, having been installed with classified access since…

I think all the AI companies want to hook up with the US military, as it's the only way they'll cover their debt. For investors.
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