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Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by fewgrehrehre »

A fun and interesting article!

I must however, take the time to be the ever-sensitive snowflake and highlight a troubling trend in this person's other posts. He seems to have some anti-trans leanings[1], refusing to gender people correctly and all that (and certainly not pushing back against comments which declare "M to Fs are psychotic bullies who would kill all of us to maintain their sacred illusion". Not to imply that one must rebuke every unkind thing in their comment section, but I hope you can understand that it is illustrative of his audience.). Now I'm no proponent of death threats or double standards, it's just a convenient way to highlight a lack of respect. He will misgender you if he does not like you, and he does not like any delusional transwomen[2].

He's also quite concerned about Canada's population. The capital-W White population specifically [3]. Note that this is presented separate from later graphs about TFWs, so I don't even think he has the right to hide behind that paper-tissue-thin shield. He is quite sad to see the Great White North get a little less white. I am not saying that Canada has managed its immigration well, but I do not believe that he is overly concerned with those matters.

I'm not here to litigate his arguments, I have other things to do with my life. He has his principles, and I have mine. I'm certain he'd be happy to talk for hours about the transwomen and the Indians and all the topics polite society cowers from. His anti-Zionism and dislike of the Rothchilds, I am certain, comes from a strongly-voiced anti-Imperalist lense.

[1] https://www.chrisbrunet.com/p/this-phd-student-at-brown-univ...

[2] https://substack.com/@chrisbrunet/note/c-244102564

[3] https://www.chrisbrunet.com/i/175390557/6-white-population

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by bpt3 »

mattw2121 wrote: post #28
idle_zealot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not wrong about the danger posed, but take a step back and consider who this attitude helps. The greatest beneficiaries of a culture in which good faith and civility are unconditionally granted for fear of misguided righteous anger is a paradise for fraudsters and bad faith actors. I think we're seeing that world now.

Spot on. Leaders in my company love to tout the line "assume good faith". If you say anything that indicates someone else is not operating in good faith, you are deemed the bad actor. This allows bad actors to run absolutely rampant.

You can assume good faith initially without having to tolerate a bad actor who invalidates that assumption.

It seems like your company leadership missed that part of the lesson.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

#33

Post by kspacewalk2 »

fewgrehrehre wrote: post #31

A fun and interesting article! I must however, take the time to be the ever-sensitive snowflake and highlight a troubling trend in this person's other posts. He seems to have some anti-trans leanings[1], refusing to gender people correctly and all that (and certainly not pushing back against comments which declare "M to Fs are psychotic bullies who would kill all of us to maintain their sacred illusion". Not to imply…

I'm torn about your comment. On the one hand, the context is interesting. On the other hand, it's almost unrelated to the substance of this post of his. I suppose there's a general anti-mainstream-science bias propagating through national-conservative/far-right/alt-right circles, specifically about how the world of academia functions. However, the facts of this post about how a corner of academia functions ought to stand up or fall down independently of all that. 95-100% of this is facts (falsifiable, and maybe wrong, but stated as such), and a tiny percentage is opinion.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

The funny thing is, if the guy wasn't quite so greedy with this racket, probably no one would notice. Surely if the number of your publications and citations shoots up exponentially and surpasses those of much more well-known scientists, folks are bound to ask questions. I wonder if this got out of control or whether he really did think it's a good idea to collude his way to such prominence.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by fewgrehrehre »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #33
fewgrehrehre wrote: post #31

A fun and interesting article! I must however, take the time to be the ever-sensitive snowflake and highlight a troubling trend in this person's other posts. He seems to have some anti-trans leanings[1], refusing to gender people correctly and all that (and certainly not pushing back against comments which declare "M to Fs are psychotic bullies who would kill all of us to maintain their sacred illusion". Not to imply…

I'm torn about your comment. On the one hand, the context is interesting. On the other hand, it's almost unrelated to the substance of this post of his. I suppose there's a general anti-mainstream-science bias propagating through national-conservative/far-right/alt-right circles, specifically about how the world of academia functions. However, the facts of this post about how a corner of academia functions ought to s…

Oh yeah, it's a fine post! Interesting read. But I don't think it's that silly to say that success for a person who espouses these views is success for the views themselves, and that a tone-shift might arise if gradually, more and more posts about inoffensive topics written by "Mr. Don't Worry About It ;)" make their way onto the front page.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by profdevloper »

ZoneZealot wrote: post #19
bpt3 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What troubling language and slurs are you referring to exactly? I didn't see anything "troubling" (let alone "extremely troubling") or anything that would indicate that anyone other than the implicated authors have an integrity issue.

I think GP was referring to https://www.chrisbrunet.com/s/politics/archive?sort=new and https://www.theamericanconservative.com/author/christopher-b... I didn't immediately see a red flag that would make me discount all of their work. It's clear what the author's general opinions are. They're entitled to them of course.

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Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by Windchaser »

bpt3 wrote: post #29
ZoneZealot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't any signs that it's a bot, or that the comment was LLM generated. It's pretty safe to assume they made an alt to make that comment, as they didn't want to take a negative opinion towards a conservative author on their main. i.e. trying to avoid controversy.

This website is slightly to the right of reddit these days; what exactly would expressing a negative opinion about a conservative blogger do to their main account? My suspicion was some affiliation with a current or future implicated individual.

I figured it was someone who just cared enough to make an account.

Yeah, this article seems fine, but looking at some of chris brunet's other articles has me a bit O.O

First time I've run into this with a HN share in a good long while. Not that the article shouldn't have been shared, ofc, but.. it certainly puts me on guard.

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by bluefirebrand »

bpt3 wrote: post #29
ZoneZealot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't any signs that it's a bot, or that the comment was LLM generated. It's pretty safe to assume they made an alt to make that comment, as they didn't want to take a negative opinion towards a conservative author on their main. i.e. trying to avoid controversy.

This website is slightly to the right of reddit these days; what exactly would expressing a negative opinion about a conservative blogger do to their main account? My suspicion was some affiliation with a current or future implicated individual.

It's been some time since I spent any time on Reddit but last I recall, slightly to the right of Reddit would imply pretty left still

Has Reddit changed that much?

Re: Third editor fired in Elsevier’s citation cartel crackdown

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Post by beambot »

Sayre's Law: Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small

Maybe universities, tenure committees, and funding sources should stop measuring academics by vanity metrics such as H-Index and publication counts. And don't get me started on the tendency toward "minimum publishable units."

That said, abusing power as an editor deserves a special place in hell...

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