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Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

CSMastermind wrote: post #13
2ndorderthought wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the past month local models have been ramping up in major way meanwhile the namesake providers have upped prices, went offline randomly, and started doing slimier and slimier things. I really think the future is local compute. Or at least self hosted models.

What's the rough equivalent of a local model? Are we talking GPT-4?

Qwen 3.6 which was released this month is a large but still smaller model. Supposedly it's at about sonnet level when configured correctly. It can be run on commodity hardware without purchasing a data center. https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1so1533/qwen36_...

Then there are middle size ones which require multiple gpus which are like gpts latest flagships.

Then there is kimi 2.6 which is a monster that is beating opus in some benchmarks. https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1sr8p49/kimi_k2...

It's basically whatever you can afford. Any trash heap laptop can run code auto complete models locally no problem. The rest require some level of investment, an idle gaming pc, or a serious investment

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by Larrikin »

infinite_spin wrote: post #25

I see OpenAI making a significantly larger amount from defense contracts than from advertisements pumped into chats. So I wonder whose bright idea it was to create a public perception risk.

Every single MBA can show for at least one quarter revenue is up after they introduced ads. They do not care what happens after if they can plan their career around that.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by derektank »

dannyw wrote: post #22
gxs wrote: post #2

This is gross It feels like we’ve been in the golden age and the window is coming to a close Let the enshitification begin, I guess

How do you expect the spend & COGS for free LLM inference to be funded? For users who don't want to pay, or maybe can't pay?

Perhaps it’s a glib and easy thing to say, but after a teaser period, I would simply not offer free LLM inference. Agreeing to serve ads just completely re-aligns your interests away from providing the best possible user experience to something else entirely.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

infinite_spin wrote: post #27
dannyw wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you expect the spend & COGS for free LLM inference to be funded? For users who don't want to pay, or maybe can't pay?

From things like defense/private contracts e.g. colleges pay for institutional subscriptions

The average person doesn't benefit from defense contracts ... Like ever.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by BoredPositron »

I don't get what's wrong with charging for your product. Like get rid of the free tier and make a small tier with an easy to serve model for like 5 bucks. Is it still the DAU rage of the 2010ss that's driving burning money?

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by irjustin »

benleejamin wrote: post #29

I'd always thought that ChatGPT ads would be indistinguishable from actual content.

this would be a breach of trust and short term would work great but long term is too detrimental.

same thing could've been said for search results, so at least that part is still "safe".

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by Aurornis »

The ads are in the free tier and the new ad-supported $8/month plan.

Every time this comes up there are comments assuming that ads are being injected into the normal plans, but these are for the free tier and the new Go plan which warns you that it includes ads when you sign up.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by bix6 »

irjustin wrote: post #36
benleejamin wrote: post #29

I'd always thought that ChatGPT ads would be indistinguishable from actual content.

this would be a breach of trust and short term would work great but long term is too detrimental. same thing could've been said for search results, so at least that part is still "safe".

O you think trust matters? This is capitalism not trustism.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

BoredPositron wrote: post #35

I don't get what's wrong with charging for your product. Like get rid of the free tier and make a small tier with an easy to serve model for like 5 bucks. Is it still the DAU rage of the 2010ss that's driving burning money?

How do you pick up new paying users without letting people use the service for free for a while first? Freemium is popular because it works well.

Re: How ChatGPT serves ads

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Post by Aurornis »

avaer wrote: post #24

Remember that ads are the "last resort" for OpenAI, and they're doing this despite the fact that it's "uniquely unsettling", according to Sam. Was he lying, or has OpenAI given up hope that this train wreck works economically without enshittification? Neither option is good, but I don't really see a third.

The ads are only for the free and $8/month plans. They basically added an ad-supported super discount level that you can ignore if you’re paying for the normal plans.
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