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Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by michaelt »

fluoridation wrote: post #16
tamimio wrote: post #4

> the order extended no-fly zones to ground vehicles belonging to the Department of Homeland Security. Even while the vehicles were in motion. Even if they were unmarked. And even if their routes had not been announced. I want to know the genius who wrote this, and the mastermind who approved it.

Do no-fly zones extend indefinitely upwards? If so, can you build a no-fly wall out of cars?

The federal government doesn't need a row of cars to make a no-fly wall.

As we learned in El Paso in February, if the federal government wants a no fly zone, it can just create one.

Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by stavros »

Artoooooor wrote: post #29

Couldn't it be used to identify/track the ICE vehicles? Observe where drones suddenly become enclosed in a no-fly zone (do I understand correctly that operators get notification that they should land immediately)?

The problem (which I've had happen) is that a no-fly zone suddenly popping up might prevent your drone from coming back to you.

Not that a government that just pops up no-fly zones would care about your drone, but just saying.

Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by throw0101a »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #19
delichon wrote: post #3

Unmarked no-fly zones at unannounced times and locations are a remarkable innovation. Hopefully they will tell you when and where you shouldn't have been when they charge you for it, but that may be classified.

Ambiguous laws (which in this case are by definition impossible to comply with) which are capriciously enforced are a hallmark of authoritarian and fascist regimes. Sadly ironic, the US government used to highlight this fact: "Authoritarian regimes’ unclear laws make anyone a suspect" - https://ge.usembassy.gov/authoritarian-regimes-unclear-laws-...

“For my friends everything, for my enemies the law.” ― Oscar R. Benavides, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_R._Benavides

Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by whyenot »

avazhi wrote: post #24
actionfromafar wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Do better or just don’t waste others’ time.

One of the nice things about HN is that we treat each other respectfully, even when someone posts a comment we may disagree with.

Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by crooked-v »

nkrisc wrote: post #7
tamimio wrote: post #4

> the order extended no-fly zones to ground vehicles belonging to the Department of Homeland Security. Even while the vehicles were in motion. Even if they were unmarked. And even if their routes had not been announced. I want to know the genius who wrote this, and the mastermind who approved it.

Whoever it was knew exactly what they were doing, and it was intentional.

Or in other words: the cruelty is the point.

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Post by avazhi »

whyenot wrote: post #34
avazhi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Do better or just don’t waste others’ time. One of the nice things about HN is that we treat each other respectfully, even when someone posts a comment we may disagree with.

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Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by jagged-chisel »

zahlman wrote: post #35

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Journalists documenting the behavior of law enforcement. One needn't report live streaming information for use of a drone to be valuable in a civil society. Law enforcement officers are granted power to perform their jobs, but that power should remain in check lest it be used to deny citizens their rights.

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Post by tdb7893 »

zahlman wrote: post #35

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This is pretty ironic given that the government can and absolutely does track American citizens everywhere without a warrant. I've known people who were harassed by police because they were near a crime that happened and the police used it's surveillance tools to find likely people in the area.

Re: Drone pilot makes US rescind no-fly zones around unmarked, moving ICE vehicles

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Post by jagged-chisel »

stavros wrote: post #32
Artoooooor wrote: post #29

Couldn't it be used to identify/track the ICE vehicles? Observe where drones suddenly become enclosed in a no-fly zone (do I understand correctly that operators get notification that they should land immediately)?

The problem (which I've had happen) is that a no-fly zone suddenly popping up might prevent your drone from coming back to you. Not that a government that just pops up no-fly zones would care about your drone, but just saying.

Are you suggesting that the system is efficient enough, and the users of it are competent enough, that a live moving no-fly zone would be placed somewhere that a drone in the immediate vicinity would be informed and be disabled?

I have my doubts. I would guess one "popping up" would at least be delayed such that it's pretty pointless by the time the drones are notified. Annoying indeed, useful (even to the ne'er-do-wells trying to enforce this crazy stuff) not so much.

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