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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hormuz will be a problem for a long time. No one needs insider info to know that. The clowns in charge of our side of the war have made zero progress toward a resolution, and I don't know what will change. My fear is that this will continue for months and then the desperate US will start bombing cities.

I think you underestimate the impact of a blockade on Iran's ports... Iran (and China) can maintain this posture for ballpark a month or so more before economic mayhem leads to another popular uprising. Time is in the US's hands up until the midterms and even then until January

What happens when Chinese flagged ships dare us to shoot them?

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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I see this as a temporary action to contain oil prices, orchestrated by the US. I expect UAE to send signals that they will increase production considerably once situation allows. Whenever oil prices surge or 10Y yield touches 4.4% we get some action to contain them.

> I see this as a temporary action

Unlikely. Out of OPEC’s twelve members [1], one is controlled by Trump, one—the third largest—is bombing the UAE and the other—the absolute largest—is on the other side of every proxy war the Emirates are invested in. As a multi-lateral organization it’s about as fucked as BRICS.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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To anyone wondering, yes this is a consequence of the War in Iran but what this means isn't exactly clear. Or rather the consequences aren't clear.

For a super brief background, the US has what's been called an oil-for-security deal with Saudi Arabia since 1945. The US supports the Saudi royal family and Saudi Arabia keeps the oil flowing, which has largely been the case (other than 1973). Saudi Arabia remains the "big dog" in OPEC. OPEC+ is really about Russia even though it also includes Kazakhstan and Mexico. Russia became a major oil producer and exporter in the last 20-30 years.

OPEC generally likes stability in oil prices. How it works now is that every 3 months they meet and figure out what the demand for oil will be and adjust production based on that projection to maintain both a price floor and a price ceiling. Prior to this conflict that range was $70-80. Each member gets a share of that production. OPEC hasn't always been successful in policing member countries who have at times exceeded their production targets and also lied about production cuts.

Gulf countries now are utterly dependent on US arms to maintain their (typically unpoular) despotic regimes (usually monarchies). The UAE is particularly belligerent here. I view Dubai as a cleaner, shinier Mos Eisley. The UAE is directly responsible for the genocide in South Sudan. US arms are diverted to the RSF in exchange for illegally smuggled gold to Duabi that gets laundered via Switzerland [1]. Dubai is a terrible place.

Beyond Russia's rise as a major energy exporter, the US also became one in the last 15 years, particularly in 2015 when the export ban was lifted on crude oil (which had been there since the 1973 oil shock). OPEC countries are generally unhappy about this development because every barrel the US exports tends to be 1 barrel OPEN doesn't. But they're also largely powerless to do anything about it.

The Iran War is a massive strategic blunder by the US because it's shown the US has been unable to stop Iran from closing the Strait of Hormuz despite spending $1T+ a eyar on its military but, just as bad, it's shown that the US cannot or will not defend GCC countries or even its own bases in those countries from Iranian counterattacks.

Foreign countries generally pay for US bases as part of a broader security agreement and the idea of joint responsibility for security guarantees. But what if those guarantees are essentially worthless? This will completely reshape the US relationships with GCC countries. The UAE is really just the first domino to fall.

Short-term this smells like the US is either behind this break or at least approves of it. The idea is probably for the UAE to increase production in an effort to stabilize oil prices. This administration has also shown a complete disregard for historic alliances (including NATO) and they probably view OPEC as a cartel they want to break up. But I think this will long-term further destabilize the region and I wouldn't be surprised if some of these governments end up falling or at least break security ties with the US.

If anything, GCC countries will likely see China as a more reliable and stable trading and security partner as a result of all this.

[1]: https://www.democracynow.org/2025/1/28/sudan

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Is there an explainer on this? I'm not familiar with the geopolitics or oil cartels well enough to understand the implications here.

The basics are the same as any other cartel. OPEC states cover enough of the supply-side of the market to be able to keep prices artificially high.

UAE leaving means UAE can price below OPEC's target and take more of the market. OPEC will have to react and lower prices or concede some of the market.

Does any of this matter if the major players can't ship oil through Hormuz? Who knows...

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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My guess is that is this because UAE has ports on the other side of Hormuz and doesn't want to be restricted in their usage by OPEC? Does this mean UAE thinks Hormuz will be a problem for a long time? And what does it mean for oil prices long term?

Hormuz will be a problem for a long time. No one needs insider info to know that. The clowns in charge of our side of the war have made zero progress toward a resolution, and I don't know what will change. My fear is that this will continue for months and then the desperate US will start bombing cities.

US-backed Israeli forces are already destroying Lebanon: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mapping-the-destruction...

> Legal experts, analysts and local officials warn that the ultimate objective is the “emptying of residential geography”, carving out a depopulated “buffer zone” at the forward edge of the border that permanently prevents displaced residents from returning and establishes a violently enforced demographic reality on the ground.

That's called "ethnic cleansing" when carried out by other countries. Iran will not agree to peace while this is going on. Partly because that's Iranian proxy forces in there among all the civilians getting killed.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they? I just looked at a map and I see very little oil infrastructure on that side of Hormuz plus isn't Oman Iran aligned?

Oman is the Switzerland of the Middle East.

As democratic popular opinion turns against classical liberal economic principles, many theocratic or monarchist hell holes are increasingly becoming the unexpected underdog turned winners in economic freedom. It's been fascinating to watch.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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My guess is that is this because UAE has ports on the other side of Hormuz and doesn't want to be restricted in their usage by OPEC? Does this mean UAE thinks Hormuz will be a problem for a long time? And what does it mean for oil prices long term?

That would also explain why UAE is oddly in favor of a war in their region.

Oman benefits significantly more from the war in Iran than the UAE, but is the most favorable country towards Iran in the GCC. See the visual here: https://archive.is/Xt3gd

Saudi Arabia and the UAE have been urging the US to bomb Iran since 2015 for their own non-oil reasons. They see political Islamism as a strategic and domestic threat. That's why they had Qatar under a blockade for a number of years. Iran is their biggest rival, exporting militancy to Yemen - the Houthis who UAE and Saudi Arabia battled for a number of years last decade. A number of attacks on Saudi and UAE oil and gas facilities from Iran Quds-backed militant groups in Iraq across 2019-2022. None of this makes the news in the West.

Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hormuz will be a problem for a long time. No one needs insider info to know that. The clowns in charge of our side of the war have made zero progress toward a resolution, and I don't know what will change. My fear is that this will continue for months and then the desperate US will start bombing cities.

I think you underestimate the impact of a blockade on Iran's ports... Iran (and China) can maintain this posture for ballpark a month or so more before economic mayhem leads to another popular uprising. Time is in the US's hands up until the midterms and even then until January

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Re: UAE to leave OPEC

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This is how peak oil happens. Without a healty cartel, oil is doomed. Solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, nuclear. These are more than ripe to disrupt energy into the 21st century.
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