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Internal FBI risk assessment of Bitcoin network [pdf]

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Doesn't Germany hold a huge amount of gold? Additionally, the only euro country not collapsing on itself?

The US Dollar area (i.e. the US) has come closer to default than the Eurozone.

yep. But can the largest military power really default?

Re: Internal FBI risk assessment of Bitcoin network [pdf]

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I'm guessing it's because that's not something the FBI cares about. The FBI is just a police force; it ain't the Federal Reserve.

but you need a police force to enforce fiat :)

You need a police force to enforce contracts and there is no system of exchange that can survive without contract.

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Interestingly botnets are probably a month away from being unprofitable for mining Bitcoins, in fact GPUs will be unprofitable for mining Bitcoins all-together. ASIC devices are being shipped over the next six months which will increase the mining difficulty substantially.

The benefit is that the electricity bill goes to the owners of the infected computers. What does a botnet cost?

There's opportunity cost in using it for yourself instead of selling the use of it to other people.

Re: Internal FBI risk assessment of Bitcoin network [pdf]

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Given that Bitcoin records all transactions for posterity, and given the ongoing rise of "big data" analytics, I'd say Bitcoin is likely to be harder, in the long run, to use for shenanigans. A government currency has forms in which transactions create no paper trail. Bitcoin does not.

Really the big disruption Bitcoin could cause if it becomes well established, is to act as a stable reference frame against which the other currencies can be compared (versus now, where they all float against each other). No government owns the Bitcoin printing press. It cannot be used as an instrument of fiscal policy, and it weakens the ability to use government currency as an instrument of fiscal policy.

Re: Internal FBI risk assessment of Bitcoin network [pdf]

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Nice document. It shows well the way of thinking of our governments. "detecting suspicious activity, identifying users, and obtaining transaction records is problematic for law enforcement." - That must deeply hurts FBI people :) "Despite the virtual nature of Bitcoin, users value the currency for many of the same reasons people trust Federal Reserve notes: they believe they can exchange the currency for goods, servi…

>People do not trust "Federal Reserve notes" I trust Federal Reserve notes. US currency has high barriers to counterfeiting and can be exchanged for goods and/or services with actual rather than virtual anonymity. I may be a cave man, but I'm not alone. US banknotes are the 'gold standard' of black and grey markets around the world.

Governments are cracking down on the use of cash in ways that will only help the promotion of Bitcoin. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/10/17/large-cash...

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly botnets are probably a month away from being unprofitable for mining Bitcoins, in fact GPUs will be unprofitable for mining Bitcoins all-together. ASIC devices are being shipped over the next six months which will increase the mining difficulty substantially.

The benefit is that the electricity bill goes to the owners of the infected computers. What does a botnet cost?

I think the comment is referring to opportunity cost, since botnet's can also be used for other profitable activities, which may bring in more money than bitcoins (such as renting them to interested parties).

Re: Internal FBI risk assessment of Bitcoin network [pdf]

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post #5

Nice document. It shows well the way of thinking of our governments. "detecting suspicious activity, identifying users, and obtaining transaction records is problematic for law enforcement." - That must deeply hurts FBI people :) "Despite the virtual nature of Bitcoin, users value the currency for many of the same reasons people trust Federal Reserve notes: they believe they can exchange the currency for goods, servi…

> People do not trust "Federal Reserve notes" Really? There I was thinking foreign governments liked holding their reserves in US dollars... > that at least some people realize that there is no such a thing like US dollar, only those "notes" printed by Ben Bernanke and his pals Wake up, SHEEPLE!

"foreign governments liked holding their reserves in US dollars"

Yes every government has to keep dolar reserve because this is the only currency you can buy oil with. USA managed to force oil suppliers to accept only US dollars.

This is the source of the dollar power and enable FED to print as much dollars as they want. People all over the World must purchase dollars.

Re: Internal FBI risk assessment of Bitcoin network [pdf]

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post #5

Nice document. It shows well the way of thinking of our governments. "detecting suspicious activity, identifying users, and obtaining transaction records is problematic for law enforcement." - That must deeply hurts FBI people :) "Despite the virtual nature of Bitcoin, users value the currency for many of the same reasons people trust Federal Reserve notes: they believe they can exchange the currency for goods, servi…

People do not trust "Federal Reserve notes" (or any other official currency) - they are forced to use it, since they must pay taxes in it. That doesn't explain why people continue to accept official currency in excess of their anticipated tax bill, or why criminals who aren't expecting to pay tax at all still deal in official currency.

Because it's easy to spend since others accept it. Money itself has absolutely no value at all. It's more a promise that somebody will accept it when you want to buy something with it.

Re: Internal FBI risk assessment of Bitcoin network [pdf]

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People do not trust "Federal Reserve notes" I trust Federal Reserve notes. US currency has high barriers to counterfeiting and can be exchanged for goods and/or services with actual rather than virtual anonymity. I may be a cave man, but I'm not alone. US banknotes are the 'gold standard' of black and grey markets around the world.

Governments are cracking down on the use of cash in ways that will only help the promotion of Bitcoin. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/10/17/large-cash...

While I am ignorant of the situation in Spain, it is interesting to note that the two other governments detailed in the linked Forbes article have extreme organized crime problems. I am sure this says something about the role of the rule of law in the bootstrapping of trust.

Integrating licit and illicit revenue streams will always be a foundational issue for any illegal enterprise. I have not looked deeply into the implementation details, but Bitcoin does not strike me as a viable money laundering solution. At the point you move large amounts of value out of the ecosystem and into the 'straight' economy, you require the complicity of bankers.

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but you need a police force to enforce fiat :)

You need a police force to enforce contracts and there is no system of exchange that can survive without contract.

No...you need a justice system to enforce contracts: contract law and dispute resolution pre-dates the idea of a police force by hundreds of years. Breaking a contract is a purely civil matter.

The police usually don't investigate tort law, only criminal law. When the police do get involved in civil law disputes it can get quite controversial.

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