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Re: Canada's first sovereign wealth fund

#31

If this is run anything like the CPP, it will underperform both the market and their own benchmarks yet lead to executives awarding themselves huge bonuses.

Over the last decade (and even prior to that) CPPIB has been the best performing fund of its kind. National pension funds have different risk tolerances and investment guidelines that someone's personal portfolio or a family office. Thanks to CPPIB, Canada does not have have a giant unfunded pension liability (unlike our neighbors to the south). It has been an enormous success story.

Yes, far better than how the UK runs its state pension system.

The Australians seem to have the best model overall though. Mandatory payments in to private investments has made them very wealthy.

The UK system takes the national insurance contributions of workers but doesn’t invest them in anything on behalf of the individual. So despite decades of payments you technically have nothing at the end and survive on the goodwill of the government and current taxpayers. That works right now because of the population pyramid.

Canada definitely has a better system than that.

Re: Canada's first sovereign wealth fund

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post #20

I believe wealth taxes (really, wealth restitution) should go into sovereign wealth funds - not least as then the public can see how that money is working for them, and so support the continuance and expansion of such taxes.

Agreed, we should also nationalise resource extraction and put the funds in there. Canadian resources should be for Canadians.

There’s a reconciliation dimension that complicates that framing, at least in BC.

Re: Canada's first sovereign wealth fund

#34
post #20

I believe wealth taxes (really, wealth restitution) should go into sovereign wealth funds - not least as then the public can see how that money is working for them, and so support the continuance and expansion of such taxes.

Agreed, we should also nationalise resource extraction and put the funds in there. Canadian resources should be for Canadians.

No.

Historically, this just ends up with Toronto and Montreal (and to a more limited extent, Vancouver) treating the rest of the country as a resource colony. The pretense that consent of the governed is equally geographically distributed is, naturally, very useful to you.

If you do that again, as you did in the '60s, Canada will only be Toronto and Montreal.

Re: Canada's first sovereign wealth fund

#35
post #16

This is a great way to sidestep the political process to fund popular projects. The political constraints will ensure returns are middling, so unless they subsidize with tax breaks on dividend income I think it would be a poor commercial investment. Whether its perfect or not, it almost has to be better than the current status quo.

How are you going to have a Sovereign Wealth Fund when you're in debt ~300% to GDP?

Are they going to fund their "wealth" with debt?

This is an oxymoron.

You aren't "rich" if you have $1M and you owe $4M. You're a con-man living a lie that will crush you eventually.

And by the way, if you have -$3M, sorry, but you're the last person I want to invest money with...

Norway gets to have a wealth fund because they have a small population with a massive amount of oil revenue, and they aren't run by morons.

Canada only produces about 2x as much oil as Norway, but it's got 10x the population. Sorry, you can't all be rich like Norwegians unless you start pumping 5x more oil.

Things like this should be laughed off the world stage.

We live in an upside down world.

Re: Canada's first sovereign wealth fund

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post #34
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, we should also nationalise resource extraction and put the funds in there. Canadian resources should be for Canadians.

No. Historically, this just ends up with Toronto and Montreal (and to a more limited extent, Vancouver) treating the rest of the country as a resource colony. The pretense that consent of the governed is equally geographically distributed is, naturally, very useful to you. If you do that again, as you did in the '60s, Canada will only be Toronto and Montreal.

> this just ends up with Toronto and Montréal (and to a more limited extent, Vancouver)

So, where most Canadians live?

Re: Canada's first sovereign wealth fund

#39

laudable goal. I suspect it will end up like most other Canadian procurement projects. also why all the love for Canadian Pacific rail?

>also why all the love for Canadian Pacific rail?

The Canadian Pacific rail connected the country east to west, was a major milestone in the country's history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Canadian_Pacifi...>

Re: Canada's first sovereign wealth fund

#40
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is setting expectations based on track record considered pessimism?

Incessant nit picking, negativity and doubt casting is my issue. And Canada is unrecognizable these days. Why should I think past performance is indicative of future success?

As a Canadian I see little reason for optimism
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