Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the 7,500 they say they're employing...is not true?
Lidl is a grocery store chain, I'm assuming GP was talking about the amount of people actually working on the cloud.
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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#32Crazy that a discount grocer can trade blows with big american cloud compute.
Lidl doesn‘t do that. It is just a grocery discounter, one company of the many in that corporate structure, and one of the users of that cloud.
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#33Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.
The whole business model is around “Optimization through custom tools”. We can go with your idea, sure: a few months in, an Account Manager from the cloud provider shows up and says your bill could be reduced by 50% if you just adopt some changes, using their custom, super optimized tools (“minor changes” will be the mantra). And now you have your own company looking back to you on how can they get those savings, peo…
Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously?
If a car salesman told me I could save 50% of my fuel bill from driving their special car a certain way I'd laugh at them.
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#34Crazy that a discount grocer can trade blows with big american cloud compute.
the parent company (Schwarz Group) has over half a million employees and makes something like 200 billion in revenue per year, I think calling it a discount grocer is underselling it a bit lol.
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
The whole business model is around “Optimization through custom tools”. We can go with your idea, sure: a few months in, an Account Manager from the cloud provider shows up and says your bill could be reduced by 50% if you just adopt some changes, using their custom, super optimized tools (“minor changes” will be the mantra). And now you have your own company looking back to you on how can they get those savings, peo…
Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously? If a car salesman told me I could save 50% of my fuel bill from driving their special car a certain way I'd laugh at them.
They're probably not wrong, if they're talking about hypermiling a Prius
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
The whole business model is around “Optimization through custom tools”. We can go with your idea, sure: a few months in, an Account Manager from the cloud provider shows up and says your bill could be reduced by 50% if you just adopt some changes, using their custom, super optimized tools (“minor changes” will be the mantra). And now you have your own company looking back to you on how can they get those savings, peo…
Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously? If a car salesman told me I could save 50% of my fuel bill from driving their special car a certain way I'd laugh at them.
> Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously?
People who know the tech, no
Non-technical middle management types, yes. It produces revenue when done aggressively enough, google "solarwinds sales people" for many anecdotal examples of extreme persistence. Not that I agree with it.
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#37Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.
This is great, your suggestion to replace s3 and ddb is to run some VMs?
I don’t blame people for being skeptical
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#38Wait... Lidl has a cloud service now?
Its terrible...just go and try to open an account...it broken from the start
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#39Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.
I prefer not using managed services but I kind of understand the appeal. Instead of paying several engineers, that you have to vet first, to configure and maintain the services adjacent to your product you can just pay AWS or Azure or someone else to maintain the service. Then you can concentrate your whole manpower on your product. In case the service goes down you can blame someone else and maybe even recover some money. On the other hand it of course makes you dependent on the provider.
Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud
#40Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.
This would only work if you have a solid devops team imo. AWS makes it extremely easy to deploy and scale infra.
Another advantage of AWS is permission management, automatic RDS snapshots, cloudwatch comes out of the box...
You can do everything with VMs, but in practise it's probably much harder.