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Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by jayd16 »

sixtyj wrote: post #23
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #12

I’m super interested in this sort of study! However, it looks like n=62 here, which I think weakens the results —they’re probably just useful as suggestions of possible effects. Also, any food is expected to have similar effects on the microbiome. They didn’t test caffeine in isolation. In some ways that’s better (I don’t consume caffeine in isolation), but in some ways that’s less useful (it’s possible you get simil…

In 1995, NASA did spiders experiment. Caffeine is a siginificant impulsivity trigger. :) https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/nasa-spiders-drugs-experime...

Nice web, Mr. Crack spider.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by antonvs »

anon84873628 wrote: post #27
neya wrote: post #2

The only good thing that keeps me from collapsing into a state of limbo is coffee and now, even that's bad (seems more like a mixed bag, but still)? Sigh.

Don't fret. You're allowed to enjoy things that aren't part of the scientific reductionist longevity influencer lifestyle fad :)

Nitpick: What you’re referring to is not scientific.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by jonplackett »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #8
getnormality wrote: post #3

Coffee modifies physiology and cognition? You're telling me this for the first time.

I was so surprised at this headline that I nearly leapt out of my chair!

But it says it’s the same for decaf. That is more interesting

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by Kelteseth »

satvikpendem wrote: post #17

What's cool is this effect exists even in decaf coffee, as someone who primarily drinks decaf black, for flavor and for a good night's rest as I'm sensitive to caffeine.

What kind of decaf coffee do you drink? There are differences between the cheap chemical Methylene way to create decaf coffee and the expensive co2 way to get rid of the caffeine.

https://cleanlabelproject.org/wp-content/uploads/CLP-Decaf-C...

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by satvikpendem »

Kelteseth wrote: post #34
satvikpendem wrote: post #17

What's cool is this effect exists even in decaf coffee, as someone who primarily drinks decaf black, for flavor and for a good night's rest as I'm sensitive to caffeine.

What kind of decaf coffee do you drink? There are differences between the cheap chemical Methylene way to create decaf coffee and the expensive co2 way to get rid of the caffeine. https://cleanlabelproject.org/wp-content/uploads/CLP-Decaf-C...

I don't buy the methylene processed ones, generally it's Swiss water processed or like you said the CO2 processed ones.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by carabiner »

testemailfordg2 wrote: post #26

Funded by the Institute for Scientific Information on Coffee (ISIC) — an industry body — which is a notable conflict of interest the authors disclose but don't extensively discuss

Every damn time, for chocolate, coffee, and red wine "studies."

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by neya »

cyberpunk wrote: post #28
neya wrote: post #2

The only good thing that keeps me from collapsing into a state of limbo is coffee and now, even that's bad (seems more like a mixed bag, but still)? Sigh.

Maybe I have some neurological issue or something but whenever I quit coffee I find it extremely difficult to maintain any kind of motivation to sit in an open plan office and code. Coffee makes me a worker bee, I can understand why employers give it away for free. So, the coffee stays for now.

Yeah, exactly. I can totally relate to this. I have actually monitored my productivity on an excel sheet and the days with coffee win by a large margin. I am not sure if it's withdrawal symptoms on the days without, though.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

After habitually consuming caffeine (not in coffee form) daily, usually multiple times a day, for more than a decade, a horrible mental health incident happened to me that forced me to stop it for a while. Afterwards I didn't resume the habit, and so I no longer have a tolerance.

This has let me evaluate what caffeine does with fresh eyes, so to say, because I can now consume it occasionally while having many non-caffeinated days to compare to. It's a profoundly psychoactive substance and does a lot of things to cognition. I guess I have decided I don't enjoy how it feels, having previously been dependent on it.

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by readthenotes1 »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #38

After habitually consuming caffeine (not in coffee form) daily, usually multiple times a day, for more than a decade, a horrible mental health incident happened to me that forced me to stop it for a while. Afterwards I didn't resume the habit, and so I no longer have a tolerance. This has let me evaluate what caffeine does with fresh eyes, so to say, because I can now consume it occasionally while having many non-caf…

Notably, the article is looking at coffee, both caffeinated and decaffeinated. There is a lot more to coffee than just caffeine...

Re: Habitual coffee intake shapes the microbiome, modifies physiology and cognition

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Post by selcuka »

rapidaneurism wrote: post #29
testemailfordg2 wrote: post #26

Funded by the Institute for Scientific Information on Coffee (ISIC) — an industry body — which is a notable conflict of interest the authors disclose but don't extensively discuss

It does not sound like an outcome that big coffee paid for it to be so: Behaviourally, coffee drinkers exhibited greater impulsivity and emotional reactivity, whereas non-coffee drinkers demonstrated better memory performance.

> It does not sound like an outcome that big coffee paid for it to be so:

Who said anything about big coffee? These guys might be a secret, anti-coffee organisation. /s

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