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Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

That's the last thing big tech companies want. Maybe Meta being the odd exception with Llama.

Meta wants the models to be cheap and available because their strength is the context data and platform control.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

America, China and Russia are all same.

I don't agree. China took a very rich business man and told him to stop showing his richness and start doing more for china. China has a real plan for renewable energy and pushing through it. China is smarter because it doesn't allow some people to vote for people like Trump and its smarter than russia because it is less motivated by one persons personal agenda.

you don't really need to explain that to someone with common sense. If someone says a communist countrie should be the top of the world, they are obviously part of the communist party or simply re*rded.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

That's the last thing big tech companies want. Maybe Meta being the odd exception with Llama.

Meta is not in the AI game any more

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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post #18

That investment chart is hilarious and terrifying. You Americans better hope this whole AI thing pans out.

It's not a chart of investment by patriotic US citizens seeking to better the country such that the country "wins" .. more like a chart of military and motte and bailey investments made by individual feuding Norman clans each seeking to be the last castle standing and in control of all the throttle points and gates across the country and ideally the world.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Don't mean to make Americans sad but "the US" doesn't win AI, a few oligarchs win AI (if US companies end up winning). The question is not US v China, it's Peter Thiel and Elon Musk vs literally anything else (that would be clearly better).

The question who will benefit from wealth generated by AI is never clearly answered. Or it's hand-waved away with some productivity gains mumbo jumbo (that never result in less work, just more, because everybody loads up on AI tools) or the good old trickle down lie.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the last thing big tech companies want. Maybe Meta being the odd exception with Llama.

Meta is not in the AI game any more

Just saw Zuckerberg post from July 2025 saying they are going to be "careful" with what they release.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree. China took a very rich business man and told him to stop showing his richness and start doing more for china. China has a real plan for renewable energy and pushing through it. China is smarter because it doesn't allow some people to vote for people like Trump and its smarter than russia because it is less motivated by one persons personal agenda.

you don't really need to explain that to someone with common sense. If someone says a communist countrie should be the top of the world, they are obviously part of the communist party or simply re*rded.

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Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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> Do you want the US to "win" AI? I don't want any one particular country, or organization, to "win" AI. I want AI capabilities to remain diffuse and spread out, so that everybody has access to approximately equal levels of AI. If anything, you might say that I want "Open Source to win AI".

Right, in particular my belief long term is that there must be functional open source AI + Robotics that common people can own and operate.

Otherwise big corporations and/or governments will own everything and most folks will be serfs. However if you can buy a few robots and go run a homestead then there can be a counterbalance of people not beholden to the system.

A telling sign of techno-feudalism will be AI becoming heavily regulated and even illegal for common people to make or own. You know because “public safety”.

Re: Do you want the US to "win" AI?

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AI society is going to be: - you, chained on your sofa, watching ads "tailored-made by AI for you" - weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities" - "no need to vote", of course, because "AI already knows what's good for you"...

> weaponized robots roaming the streets to ensure everyone is "at work" and not "at leisure activities"

But I thought everyone was going to lose their jobs...

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