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Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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> There are less than 4,000 neo-Nazis in the US Do you have a source on that statistic? Because I just don't believe it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356

That source is a decade old and the number you quoted was the minimum for the 3 groups (out of many more) that had numbers. Contemporary reporting repeatedly points out the increase in the past decade.

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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They were paying people to infiltrate the KKK and Nazi groups. It is the same as the arson investigator paying someone to hang out with the kids who play with matches to see who is starting the fires. The only "criminal" thing they did was encouraging non-white people to use their right to vote. How dare they do such a thing before the mid-term elections!

Here’s the indictment: https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1437146/dl

I never doubted for a second that someone at the DoJ wrote a bunch of words. Unfortunately we have good cause to call them into question.

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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I guess we might see as the case actually starts up, but I tend towards this basic posture:

> Infiltrating hate groups with informants is something that goes way back to the civil rights era and before. It's never been something only the government can do, especially when the government is more likely to be showing up for the white power happy hour every third Thursday at Chili's.

https://bsky.app/profile/andycraig.bsky.social/post/3mjzzezd...

And to be extremely skeptical of this administration working in good faith. The lawfare to destroy the good, to destroy institutions, by the very worst, is just out of control. The expression of power of the rich to destroy has gone up and up and up, and they keep getting by even as they destroy load bearing elements of society:

> I will say, frivolously suing a nonprofit for fraud has become A Thing recently. See, e.g., James Huntsman's suit against the Mormon Church or Elon Musk's against OpenAI.

> But rich people wasting money to punish nonprofits they no longer like is one thing;* the government doing it is another.

https://bsky.app/profile/smbrnsn.bsky.social/post/3mk224wrzm...

The FBI had been paying the SPLC to do just this sort of thing, until the new extremist administration stepped in. The people waging this case know all that. The donors new the work the SPLC did. And it's quite clear they can't be expected to show receipts, and safely show where all the money goes. https://bsky.app/profile/tomjoscelyn.bsky.social/post/3mk25s...

More despicable illegitemate mis-governance as usual by the most chaotic evil US government we have ever had.

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40915356

That source is a decade old and the number you quoted was the minimum for the 3 groups (out of many more) that had numbers. Contemporary reporting repeatedly points out the increase in the past decade.

I’m gonna guess that the ‘contemporary reporting’ you failed to cite is from the SPLC

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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By Trump's personalist DoJ. Presuming good faith on the part of Trump admin feds is a journalistic mistake.

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> They are indicted in federal court… what kind of mindless ideologue thinks this was just a whim for giggles?

Have you been following the DOJ at all? A malicious prosecution is 100% on brand.

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> what kind of mindless ideologue thinks this was just a whim for giggles? Likely not a single one - it's been starkly clear for more than a year that the current US Federal DoJ is being wielded not on a whim for shits and giggles but for revenge and manipulation.

Then either they shouldn't be laundering money, or we should repeal that law.

Oh did we already get a guilty verdict?

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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> what kind of mindless ideologue thinks this was just a whim for giggles? Likely not a single one - it's been starkly clear for more than a year that the current US Federal DoJ is being wielded not on a whim for shits and giggles but for revenge and manipulation.

Then either they shouldn't be laundering money, or we should repeal that law.

Tangential to the deeper and more problematic issue with the recent DoJ, repeated malicious prosecutions at a scale not seen before.

Re: Southern Poverty Law Center indicted for fraud, money laundering

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“The SPLC was not dismantling the groups,” Blanche said. “It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred.” There was always something suspicious about the SPLC, almost like a big brother of the ADL. Both organizations profit greatly from the very thing they supposedly fight. Why dismantle something when you can turn it into a cash cow? The past decade has bee…

So what's your critique of Blanche?

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That source is a decade old and the number you quoted was the minimum for the 3 groups (out of many more) that had numbers. Contemporary reporting repeatedly points out the increase in the past decade.

I’m gonna guess that the ‘contemporary reporting’ you failed to cite is from the SPLC

Ignoring the many reports that cite the SPLC, a small sampling:

Here's Vice quoting the FBI: https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-fbi-just-put-white-natio...

Newsweek last year talking about the growth in the past decade: https://www.newsweek.com/neo-nazi-clubs-us-2095113

Reuters about dramatically escalating number of incidents: https://www.reuters.com/investigations/american-nazis-aryan-...

NPR: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188111769/active-club-hate-g...

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