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Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

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Post by bravetraveler »

rurban wrote: post #26
wasabinator wrote: post #4

This should be a warning to those who feel that it's ok to offload your creativity to a subscription service. Always need a local model in some form.

Local models are not comparable to the FOTA models at all. I know what I'm saying because I do have 4 local H100's in my server, and could run the very best local models. It's night and day. They are unusable and stupid.

I get perfectly acceptable results from a Strix Halo PC the size of a shoebox, man. An APU that uses ~150w, has 0 discrete GPUs, and a bill of $0/m. What's more, it doesn't go down every week, limit use, or change the terms at a whim.

I'll burn/discard 'frontier' tokens (at work) only because they're mandated and they foot the bill. I'd rather resell them; meet the asinine requirement from $EMPLOYER, provide cover for outsourcing to my equipment, and get a return for the hassle.

TLDR: perhaps you're holding it wrong or haven't tried the latest, as we so often hear. That's a lot of GPU for not much utility.

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#32

Post by rurban »

poisonborz wrote: post #29
rurban wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Local models are not comparable to the FOTA models at all. I know what I'm saying because I do have 4 local H100's in my server, and could run the very best local models. It's night and day. They are unusable and stupid.

For what do you use the 4 local H100s then?

For training our AI model of course. Inference is for the cheaper machines.

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#33

Post by rurban »

bravetraveler wrote: post #31
rurban wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Local models are not comparable to the FOTA models at all. I know what I'm saying because I do have 4 local H100's in my server, and could run the very best local models. It's night and day. They are unusable and stupid.

I get perfectly acceptable results from a Strix Halo PC the size of a shoebox, man. An APU that uses ~150w, has 0 discrete GPUs, and a bill of $0/m. What's more, it doesn't go down every week, limit use, or change the terms at a whim. I'll burn/discard 'frontier' tokens (at work) only because they're mandated and they foot the bill . I'd rather resell them; meet the asinine requirement from $EMPLOYER , provide cover…

Well, my python and typescript folks are also happy with the simplier local models. But I'm using more advanced stuff, C/C++ embedded real-time, vision AI, and compilers.

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#34

Post by bravetraveler »

rurban wrote: post #33
bravetraveler wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get perfectly acceptable results from a Strix Halo PC the size of a shoebox, man. An APU that uses ~150w, has 0 discrete GPUs, and a bill of $0/m. What's more, it doesn't go down every week, limit use, or change the terms at a whim. I'll burn/discard 'frontier' tokens (at work) only because they're mandated and they foot the bill . I'd rather resell them; meet the asinine requirement from $EMPLOYER , provide cover…

Well, my python and typescript folks are also happy with the simplier local models. But I'm using more advanced stuff, C/C++ embedded real-time, vision AI, and compilers.

Fair point. I treat LLMs like the forgetful junior we often hear about. The things I don't care to do, they (both local and hosted/'frontier') can. Boilerplate, very-well-described edits, some research/report, etc; a lot is riding on 'acceptable'.

Easier to spawn another terminal pane/browser tab than hire a contractor, I just don't find the 'frontier' services/terms compelling.

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#35

Post by y0eswddl »

rurban wrote: post #26
wasabinator wrote: post #4

This should be a warning to those who feel that it's ok to offload your creativity to a subscription service. Always need a local model in some form.

Local models are not comparable to the FOTA models at all. I know what I'm saying because I do have 4 local H100's in my server, and could run the very best local models. It's night and day. They are unusable and stupid.

what is "FOTA"

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#36

Post by wookmaster »

wasabinator wrote: post #4

This should be a warning to those who feel that it's ok to offload your creativity to a subscription service. Always need a local model in some form.

I’ve been trying to bring this up at my work, you’re putting all your intelligence into a service you don’t own. What do you do when it’s down or they quadruple the price ?

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#37

Post by rurban »

y0eswddl wrote: post #35
rurban wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Local models are not comparable to the FOTA models at all. I know what I'm saying because I do have 4 local H100's in my server, and could run the very best local models. It's night and day. They are unusable and stupid.

what is "FOTA"

That's my auto-correction, because I'm doing too much embedded (Firmware-over-the-air updates). Frontier it should be called.

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#39

Post by avgDev »

ratg13 wrote: post #21
wasabinator wrote: post #4

This should be a warning to those who feel that it's ok to offload your creativity to a subscription service. Always need a local model in some form.

This doesn’t affect existing users. This is a simple supply and demand curve. Higher demand means the price goes up .. this has been true of things since before SaaS and before computers

No. It means eventually existing users will be affected too. These companies are deeply in the red.

Re: Claude Code Removed from $20-a-Month "Pro" Subscription for New Users

#40

Post by brewtide »

kadoban wrote: post #23
avaer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could judge the costs of the AI products you're using by the standard API pricing, not promotional subscription offers.

For me, it's not even cost necessarily. If they decide to change the product they offer, the old one is gone. I refuse to use anything for personal use that's not at least _available_ as model weights.

Bingo. This same scenario with IOT hardware/software requirements and the ever changing software updates where features get added/removed (and firmware), etc would have so many here up in arms!

Oddly, less (vocal) arms on this specific case.

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