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We accepted surveillance as default

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Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#31

This is all well and good but as long as advertising is how folks make money on the web, the surveillance state will persist.

At least the solution is obvious, even if the path to an ad-free web is not. And it's a solution that also has the advantage of being a solid public good.

The free internet of the workers and peasants? I mean, how will the websites make money?

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#33

When Apple first released App Tracking Transparency, I immediately used it to block the trackers and I have not even thought about it since because it is so simple and useful. What a contrast to modern websites which require all sorts of weird clicking gymnastics to disable similar tracking.

In my case firefox + arkenfox + ublock origin advanced mode require all sorts of weird clicking to enable similar tracking :)

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#34
post #28

When Apple first released App Tracking Transparency, I immediately used it to block the trackers and I have not even thought about it since because it is so simple and useful. What a contrast to modern websites which require all sorts of weird clicking gymnastics to disable similar tracking.

Its amusing that Apple itself is one of the biggest ad companies that exists, fed entirely from their own users private data. Yet by simply pointing the finger away from themselves and helping their customers block other ad companies efforts, they seem to have gained complete trust of all their users and most dont even know how much Apple are making in ad revenue from their own data. https://appleinsider.com/articles…

I trust Apple with my private data. I don't trust Google with it, and I don't trust Joe Blow's Sketchy Ass Apps & Ads Service with it. Simple as.

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#35
post #3

Whenever I read your articles, I get distracted by the space invaders and just play that instead. Maybe this is a problem with me being a bit ADHD, but I feel like I am not the only one

I just played for a couple of minutes and didn't even finish the article. Also suffering from ADHD but in my defense space invaders is pretty good with mouse controls.

Also played the game, but I'm just easily entertained, prone to procrastination given the chance... and kind of lazy sometimes.

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#36
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should pass laws that require the weird clicking gymnastics to opt-in to tracking. Instead of the default opt-in hidden in the terms and conditions nobody reads.

The EU did that and people still bitch about GDPR banners on websites.

They took what should have been a browser on/off switch and turned it into something almost worse.

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#37
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its amusing that Apple itself is one of the biggest ad companies that exists, fed entirely from their own users private data. Yet by simply pointing the finger away from themselves and helping their customers block other ad companies efforts, they seem to have gained complete trust of all their users and most dont even know how much Apple are making in ad revenue from their own data. https://appleinsider.com/articles…

I trust Apple with my private data. I don't trust Google with it, and I don't trust Joe Blow's Sketchy Ass Apps & Ads Service with it. Simple as.

Exactly. Amusing indeed.

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the solution is obvious, even if the path to an ad-free web is not. And it's a solution that also has the advantage of being a solid public good.

The free internet of the workers and peasants? I mean, how will the websites make money?

maybe we're better off without websites that only exist to make money.

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#39
post #28

When Apple first released App Tracking Transparency, I immediately used it to block the trackers and I have not even thought about it since because it is so simple and useful. What a contrast to modern websites which require all sorts of weird clicking gymnastics to disable similar tracking.

Its amusing that Apple itself is one of the biggest ad companies that exists, fed entirely from their own users private data. Yet by simply pointing the finger away from themselves and helping their customers block other ad companies efforts, they seem to have gained complete trust of all their users and most dont even know how much Apple are making in ad revenue from their own data. https://appleinsider.com/articles…

Yes, that is very true. Unfortunately, without a true non-Apple or non-Google OS, the ATT toggle is likely about as good as you can get. And it does stop the apps themselves getting raw access to your data, which is not something to sniff at.

Re: We accepted surveillance as default

#40

This is all well and good but as long as advertising is how folks make money on the web, the surveillance state will persist.

Mass surveillance has been the only thing where capitalists and communists wholeheartedly agreed to go all in. It has been pushed into law at every opportunity, done in grey areas when possible, and secretly when illegal.

It's evident proof that information is power.

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