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Palantir Wants to Reinstate the Draft

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Re: Palantir Wants to Reinstate the Draft

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Post by ceejayoz »

LoFiSamurai wrote: post #12
dylan604 wrote: post #5

Opening graph: "We should, as a society, seriously consider moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost," says military contractor and all-around surveillance-enabler Palantir. If that's the case, then every war to be fought needs to have the say so of those that will be doing the fighting and not the solitary decision made by a delusional leader tha…

Having those sent to fight in a war being the ones to decide if the war should be fought was on of the major points in General Butler’s 1935 book War is a Racket

Great example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

> Butler, a retired Marine Corps major general, testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization with him as its leader and use it in a coup d'état to overthrow Roosevelt.

Re: Palantir Wants to Reinstate the Draft

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Post by drivingmenuts »

"We should, as a society, seriously consider moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost,"

OK, sure, but only if we agree that a war should be fought. No more fighting a war because six rich guys in a back room decide we need unobtanium. Or because one rich guy doesn't like some other rich guy's religious values.

Re: Palantir Wants to Reinstate the Draft

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Post by tootie »

Karp has a right to his opinion as bonkers as it may be but it is doubly bonkers to release this as company policy. Especially coupled with all the other bonkers things that went into this manifesto. Rearming Germany and Japan? Why does Palantir care about that? Toss in some unsubtle racism and you're really just staking your company position as aligned with a very narrow political niche. Seemingly at odds with the company's interest to provide services to whoever will pay.

Re: Palantir Wants to Reinstate the Draft

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Post by wahnfrieden »

_doctor_love wrote: post #20

Other countries have compulsory military service, for example Finland. Generally speaking I am a fan of the idea that everyone should be required to do some kind of community service for 2 years once they turn 18. Military service would just be one option, could be other kinds of civic engagement. This can really help people feel connected to their society and understand that there is something to show up for. BUT -…

> And to agree with others on this thread, the folks who push for war should 100% be required to participate in them and lead from the front. Don't sell the rest of our lives while you hide in a nice air conditioned bunker.

It never happens because those in power use their power to avoid it, even if they bind the rest of us with rules they enforce. By saying they "should be required", you are promoting the idea that their desire for war is acceptable as long as they codify certain standards, which they are able to use their powers to personally circumvent.

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Post by _doctor_love »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #26
_doctor_love wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree - the key is that everyone MUST include people in power.

It's not how conscription is ever implemented in practice.

Of course it's not. Once upon a time quite long ago kings and generals got on the field. But as we industrialized leadership moved to "the back."

See concepts like Auftragstaktik, command intent, mission command.

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Post by _doctor_love »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #34
_doctor_love wrote: post #20

Other countries have compulsory military service, for example Finland. Generally speaking I am a fan of the idea that everyone should be required to do some kind of community service for 2 years once they turn 18. Military service would just be one option, could be other kinds of civic engagement. This can really help people feel connected to their society and understand that there is something to show up for. BUT -…

> And to agree with others on this thread, the folks who push for war should 100% be required to participate in them and lead from the front. Don't sell the rest of our lives while you hide in a nice air conditioned bunker. It never happens because those in power use their power to avoid it, even if they bind the rest of us with rules they enforce. By saying they "should be required", you are promoting the idea that…

> By saying they "should be required", you are promoting the idea that their desire for war is acceptable as long as they codify certain standards, which they are able to use their powers to personally circumvent.

I am not.

Re: Palantir Wants to Reinstate the Draft

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Post by throwaway173738 »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #26
_doctor_love wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree - the key is that everyone MUST include people in power.

It's not how conscription is ever implemented in practice.

But it’s how it will be sold to us. It’s sure a lot warmer in the abbatoir for some reason. And they give some of us cigarettes. Bill says they even feed him.
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