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How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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EU has a really big problem with lobbing/corruption. Qatargate, russian connections, von der Leyen–Pfizer affair.

It isn't just the EU. Anytime $1M in lobbying will buy you $1B in contracts or regulatory capture, it will always be a no brainer. We need better transparency about the money trail and full disclosure before things go to vote so the public can weigh in.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Data centers are uber resource hogs: land, water, power. They compete for the same resources as other industries but also against the local citizenry. Who benefits from mass consumption of the resources and at what cost. Age old debate.

Have you always had similar things to say about the paper industry?

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Data centers are uber resource hogs: land, water, power. They compete for the same resources as other industries but also against the local citizenry. Who benefits from mass consumption of the resources and at what cost. Age old debate.

Have you always had similar things to say about the paper industry?

Yes

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find this facet of Capitalism the most concerning; fiduciary responsibility to the shareholder. That’s not the least of my concerns. My problem with capitalism is its desire to influence politics in its favor, and the utter lack of regulation amongst politicians (ie self regulation) to forbid this practice. The whole industry of lobbying should not be allowed to exist.

Lobbying must be allowed to exist. You bringing issues to the attention of your representative or asking them to change some policy is lobbying. It is even very useful to allow organizations to lobby politicians. For example, I want EFF to be able to lobby politicians about things I don't have the time or influence to really push for political change on. I do wonder how we could effectively restrict corporate lobbyin…

Well lobbying is ok. Bribing is not.

I guess we need to pay politicians enough. And have very very strict checks on their wealth. Maybe even only pick people with no families and don't allow them property. That would essentially eliminate bribery. Question is what else would it do... Nothing is so simple in the end.

But yes any such system has to be very simple at it's core.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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I forget, am i meant to be shaking with rage that the EU have regulations OR that the regulations include disclosure carveouts?

It's that EU has illusion of regulation that is nerfed with either loopholes or lack of enforcement.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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Data centers are uber resource hogs: land, water, power. They compete for the same resources as other industries but also against the local citizenry. Who benefits from mass consumption of the resources and at what cost. Age old debate.

Have you always had similar things to say about the paper industry?

Paper provides an actual utility that people want and serves a real human need. Hyper scale data centers only exist to make Garfield porn and help scammers.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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I forget, am i meant to be shaking with rage that the EU have regulations OR that the regulations include disclosure carveouts?

It's that EU has illusion of regulation that is nerfed with either loopholes or lack of enforcement.

Nerfed carrying a lot of water here, neglecting the fact that big tech is successfully using the US federal government to threaten the whole of EU if they are slightly mean to Zuckerberg + friends.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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I have complete confidence the EU will realise this may violate transparency laws, it will go to court in 7-8 years, publish a response in the next 5 finally getting this law fixed in about 2040. They always get these things right, in the end

Hey at least all your devices use USB-C and there’s alternative app stores no one really uses

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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I wonder if this is less about the environmental impact (which can be greenwashed as necessary), and more about the power consumption of individual data centres.

Well datacenters ARE rated by their power usage. And then there is a PUE ratio which indicates how much power is to be used by feeding the equipment vs overall usage for supporting equipment (cooling). Just this week we launched a datacenter hat runs 100% on renewable energy even in case when diesel engines have to turn on and seeking LEED certification: https://delska.com/about/news-resources/delska-newsroom/dels...…

You do not want a modern datacenter near people.

Re: How Big Tech wrote secrecy into EU law to hide data centres' environmental toll

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's that EU has illusion of regulation that is nerfed with either loopholes or lack of enforcement.

Nerfed carrying a lot of water here, neglecting the fact that big tech is successfully using the US federal government to threaten the whole of EU if they are slightly mean to Zuckerberg + friends.

That is part of it, but e.g. GDPR enforcement has been dismal since its inception, also against European companies. E.g. "Pay or Okay" is widespread, although it's clearly illegal.

https://noyb.eu/en/noybs-pay-or-okay-report-how-companies-ma...

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