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Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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By whom? The regulators are the ones signing up for these services.

The FBI. This sounds like a CJIS violation

Buddy, I have some awful news. On the plus side, you can email the FBI director at his personal email to try to get him on the case.

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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just when you thought it was bad, it gets worse. why do sales employees have access (or ability to request access) to camera feeds at all? i would like to know what other cameras adam snow, bob carter, cameran whiteman view regularly. "search him hard drive" as the kids say. (p.s. https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/flock-safety , sadly the "latest news" section does not have "flock sales employees caught watching…

How else would they sell to additional customers if they couldn't demo random video feeds from all over?

perhaps by setting up a dedicated "demo feed”, rather than access the cameras of live customers, like every other product that i have sat through a demo for

can you imagine sales force or dynamics poking around some random company's live data during a demo to some other company?

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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I'm happy to say that I would be fired if I did this, thought this, or wrote this comment. EDIT: Parent used to say "it's common for salespeople to log in to customer environments to show potential customers what the product looks like with actual data in it."

You would be fired if you had a thought?

If I had the thought, in general, that this was a fine thing to do, then yes. Presumably I would do it or permit somebody else to do it and be fired.

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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The council meeting alluded to in the article happened a few days ago and is on YouTube[1]. Public comment starts around 23m, the commenters bring up some of the things in the article, and the council still moves to approve around 1h20m.

[1] - https://youtu.be/AqOYDNKBr3g?si=EFOTKlKIRK01mVvL

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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I'm happy to say that I would be fired if I did this, thought this, or wrote this comment. EDIT: Parent used to say "it's common for salespeople to log in to customer environments to show potential customers what the product looks like with actual data in it."

I removed the part where I said 'it's typical for sales people to access customer environments', because I don't know how accurate that is, but probably happens more than anyone knows. Obviously it shouldn't happen without customers consent.

Also, reviewing the article again, the access patterns don't seem to match with this behavior, so there seems to be something else going on.

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Why is there a flock camera indoors at a school in the first place? Are the schools supposed to be putting video and audio footage of children on 3rd party storage platforms? Are the parents aware of this? Perhaps PTA meetings should discuss. That seems like something that should be using close circuit PoE cameras to local NVR's with on-prem encrypted storage with a retention policy if there must be cameras. Encrypte…

> Are the parents aware of this? Perhaps PTA meetings should discuss. Not everyone grows up in such an idyllic environment where there is an active and engaged PTA or concerned parents who feel like they have a voice. Moreover the perceived need for security cameras is probably inversely proportional to places with active PTA groups (though maybe not). Either way, suggesting tech solutions is rearranging deck chairs…

Either way, suggesting tech solutions is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

My gripe will be the music they are playing whilst I am moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. Enough ragtime already. I will take some Moonlight Bay please [1].

Oh and to your point of course there will be places that can't do this. They should be focusing on the proper disassembly cleaning lubricating and reassembly of their Hi-Point's. Such schools should have mandatory handgun safety courses like the old days. Or current times for the Swiss [2].

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud7ZTU4FS3U

[2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnBDK-QNZkM

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else would they sell to additional customers if they couldn't demo random video feeds from all over?

perhaps by setting up a dedicated "demo feed”, rather than access the cameras of live customers, like every other product that i have sat through a demo for can you imagine sales force or dynamics poking around some random company's live data during a demo to some other company?

access to every camera on the system is the selling point

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to say that I would be fired if I did this, thought this, or wrote this comment. EDIT: Parent used to say "it's common for salespeople to log in to customer environments to show potential customers what the product looks like with actual data in it."

I removed the part where I said 'it's typical for sales people to access customer environments', because I don't know how accurate that is, but probably happens more than anyone knows. Obviously it shouldn't happen without customers consent. Also, reviewing the article again, the access patterns don't seem to match with this behavior, so there seems to be something else going on.

I've worked in enterprise IT departments for nearly 20 years and not once during a demo for any product has a sales engineer logged into a live customer or showed actual customer data

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to say that I would be fired if I did this, thought this, or wrote this comment. EDIT: Parent used to say "it's common for salespeople to log in to customer environments to show potential customers what the product looks like with actual data in it."

I removed the part where I said 'it's typical for sales people to access customer environments', because I don't know how accurate that is, but probably happens more than anyone knows. Obviously it shouldn't happen without customers consent. Also, reviewing the article again, the access patterns don't seem to match with this behavior, so there seems to be something else going on.

in the 100s of demos i have sat through, over a few decades, not a single one used live customer data.
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