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Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#32"Don't be evil" they used to say.
They dropped that a long time ago, at least a decade ago. Which is really an odd thing to do, what company would think that not being evil was holding it back but Google clearly did.
And we all ought to have dropped them, then. (Most of us, myself included, did not.)
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
When did you find out about this? The timeline of this actually pushing you to do all that seems a bit unbelievable and difficult to take seriously.
It's this account's only comment and was only created right before posting. It has no credibility.
They could just be very concerned with privacy.
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#34I feel bad for both sides in this. Google can be put under so much pressure by the government, they are basically forced to do what they says; yes they can fight it, but if the government wants something badly, they will get it, they have powers (especially under the very broad definition of 'national security') to just get automatic compliance, using the same powers they can silence the companies from publishing any…
I feel bad for both sides in this. Google can be put under so much pressure by the government, they are basically forced to do what they says; yes they can fight it, but if the government wants something badly, they will get it, they have powers
Or they could implement end-to-end encryption for many of their products and they wouldn't be able to give the government the data, even if they wanted to. But that would hamper them to analyze data for ad targeting.
Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#35This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…
When did you find out about this? The timeline of this actually pushing you to do all that seems a bit unbelievable and difficult to take seriously.
Maybe they read one of the articles written about this incident months ago.
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#36Does anyone remember when western nations were freaking out that Huawei would handle everybody personal data to the Chinese government? Now, please tell me that American companies are better at privacy than the Chinese ones. Btw, some alternative email providers in truly democratic countries: * ProtonMail (Switzerland) * TutaMail, Posteo, Mailbox.org and Eclipso (Germany) * Runbox (Norway) * Mailfence (Belgium)
In that case, the US was worried about espionage, not violation of civil liberties.
Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#37I feel bad for both sides in this. Google can be put under so much pressure by the government, they are basically forced to do what they says; yes they can fight it, but if the government wants something badly, they will get it, they have powers (especially under the very broad definition of 'national security') to just get automatic compliance, using the same powers they can silence the companies from publishing any…
I do not feel bad for Google here and they are at fault. If they are in a tight bind now it is only because they have eroded the privacy safety buffer so thin over the past few decades that they are finally having a hard time walking the line. If they had been fighting for strong, clear, boundaries then this wouldn't be an issue. Instead they have pushed automatic TOS changes that let them do what they want when they want and ignoring privacy settings and selling info to anyone with no consequences. Yes, they are likely in a 'tight bind' right now but it is one that they set up for themselves.
Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Start actively divesting of Google where possible. There are a lot of 'Switching to 100% European cloud' stories hitting HN lately. The more things like this happen the more stories like that will be there. Google and US tech are becoming toxic at many levels and an appropriate response is to mitigate risk by going to other providers.
>Switching to 100% European cloud' Yea, they are even worse. They would sell out in a sec once goverment is going after them.
What is the basis for this claim?
Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data
#39Does anyone remember when western nations were freaking out that Huawei would handle everybody personal data to the Chinese government? Now, please tell me that American companies are better at privacy than the Chinese ones. Btw, some alternative email providers in truly democratic countries: * ProtonMail (Switzerland) * TutaMail, Posteo, Mailbox.org and Eclipso (Germany) * Runbox (Norway) * Mailfence (Belgium)
American companies give data to the U.S.
Chinese companies give data to China.
I don't trust either of them, but if I had to choose, I would use Chinese products in the U.S. and vice versa.
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Yeah, because the American ideal of our forefathers was FAFO? This is embarrassing to admit, but I miss the halcyon days when folks were still nominally pretending to be free speech warriors.
I find the idea of a non citizen protesting and causing social unrest diabolical. Most international students, (whether studying in the US or Europe or Australia or Malaysia or indeed anywhere else) understand that their visa does not grant them the same substantive rights that citizens of a country get. That’s as it should be.
I couldn’t care less about a non citizen’s non existent free speech rights, nor would I expect to be provided rights exclusively afforded to citizens of a country in which I was visiting. Some of you guys have clearly never travelled outside your home countries.