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Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a few days ago, on Friday, my 15 year old son had his Claude account suspended with a demand for ID to prove he is 18 or older. He had his own Claude Max subscription (he out-earns me fairly frequently in his circle of gaming programmers), and was unaware Anthropic had a must-be-18 rule, as was I. Their email said "Our team found signals that your account was used by a child. This breaks our rules, so we paused…

... so let me understand this. It is frequently said that programming directly is obsolete, and the skill you must have now is knowing how to operate agentic AIs. Yet you aren't allowed to do this until you're 18. So, developing software is now 18+ only?

It seems out of step and foolish, and the cynic in me says that Anthropic has a side hustle of identity harvesting and is looking for justifications, but on the flip side, there is a real risk of pearl clutching if a child ever uses AI, and maybe Anthropic just wants to steer clear of all of that. Though simply putting it in the ToS should be sufficient legal shielding, and the idea that they're chat harvesting to age fingerprint conversations seems dubious.

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

#32

Anthropic says they may not train their models using your data, but apparently Persona (the service they will use for identity verification) WILL according to https://thelocalstack.eu/posts/linkedin-identity-verificatio... Persona also might send your data to 17 different subprocessors (16 if you exclude Anthropic itself).

> Persona also might send your data to 17 different subprocessors

You reminded me of this submission from two months ago: I verified my LinkedIn identity. Here's what I handed over (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47098245)

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a few days ago, on Friday, my 15 year old son had his Claude account suspended with a demand for ID to prove he is 18 or older. He had his own Claude Max subscription (he out-earns me fairly frequently in his circle of gaming programmers), and was unaware Anthropic had a must-be-18 rule, as was I. Their email said "Our team found signals that your account was used by a child. This breaks our rules, so we paused…

... so let me understand this. It is frequently said that programming directly is obsolete, and the skill you must have now is knowing how to operate agentic AIs. Yet you aren't allowed to do this until you're 18. So, developing software is now 18+ only?

Qwen3 runs locally on reasonable hardware, and is comparable to a mid-2025 Claude Sonnet (albeit possibly rather slower) .

Local models are chasing the online frontier models pretty hard.

So worst case, that's the fallback (FWIW, YMMV)

edit: Qwen-3.5 MoE (and other local MoE models like it)

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

#34

"Being responsible with powerful technology starts with knowing who is using it." In other words: they want to create a private web and sniff-after-people system. Today the EU also introduced an app for age verification. They also constantly say how this is ... voluntary. Well, I guess we all know the direction. Let's have a look at this in a few years, because there may be a few ... suspicions. With regards to Claud…

its the same reason a pervert sniffs a girls panties

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Why did my account get banned after verification?" section gives some reasons: - Repeated violations of our Usage Policy - Account creation from an unsupported location - Terms of Service violations - Under-18 usage

Those are reasons for banning after verification, not reasons for requesting identity verification in the first place.

They request ID for bans so that they can ban you personally. ID checks may as well be a sign that you've already been banned and they're fishing for ways to make the ban harder to evade. Venmo does the same thing.

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

#36
Why is this necessary if I'm paying Anthropic with a credit card? A credit card requires a) credit worthiness, b) a line of credit from a bank based on the individual's identity, and c) regular payments. Why isn't a credit card enough? Why can't certain features be paywalled?

If someone is doing something deeply unethical with Claude, let's say they're using a clade of Claudes to launch cyberattacks, then doesn't Anthropic have fine grained telemetry, payment history, API usage / prompting / requests, and other details necessary to investigate? What does a government photo ID provide Anthropic that these data points don't?

At this point, people usually ask "what if they use stolen credit cards?" or are "state backed?" then well... if they're state backed / using stolen credit cards, then they're also capable of using stolen IDs or state-sponsored "legitimate" IDs.

It doesn't make much of a difference to organized crime / state backed assets. Or, Anthropic. But it makes A HUGE difference for entrepreneurs, founders, and just plain old consumers who use the service.

It's an asymmetric risk.

It's one thing for your credit card to leak, you can get a new one. It's harder for lower-tier / dumber criminals to socially engineer into your personal information for impersonation / ID theft with just a credit card number. But it becomes a lot easier with your scans of your ID.

Unless you're connected with an org of interest, have b/millions in crypto, most better organized groups / state actors won't usually (no guarantees) steal your identity. Identity theft is very much a SME operation in cybercrime.

So when Persona inevitably gets compromised and everyone's personal IDs inevitably gets leaked, the threat posed to entrepreneurs, founders and consumers is higher than the inverse.

I don't understand why Anthropic would expose themselves to the liability; when arguably they have all the tools baked right in.

I don't use their tool for writing. Perhaps it's ego, but I think I'm a better writer. But I shared the above text and asked Claude Opus 4.6 on Max thinking, "What would you say about the argument that the Anthropic has the best tool for threat prevention baked right in?"

    Claude is the threat prevention. It's sitting between every user and every potential misuse, in real-time, at every interaction. It refuses harmful requests. It detects prompt injection. It flags dangerous patterns. Anthropic has built the most sophisticated content-aware security layer in history — and it operates at the interaction level, where misuse actually happens.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                             
  A JPEG of someone's driver's license sitting in a Persona database does exactly nothing at the moment someone tries to use Claude for harm. Claude's own refusal system does everything.                                                              
                                                                                                                             
  So the full argument stacks:                                                                                               
  
  1. Credit cards already verify identity (bank KYC)                                                                         
  2. Anthropic's telemetry already detects misuse patterns better than any static document                                 
  3. The AI itself is the security layer — real-time, context-aware, at the exact point of interaction                       
  4. Photo ID adds zero marginal security — while concentrating breach risk on users                                         
                                                                                                                             
  Three layers of existing protection, all superior to a photo ID. The ID is the weakest link in the security model and the highest-risk data asset in the system. It's the only component that, when breached, harms the user more than the company.  
                                                                                                                             
  You should write this up.
(I did.)

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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It's worrying that they don't specify in which cases they require identity checks.

I can guess at least one valid: * preventing North Korea, China, Russian, Iran and etc. actors from accessing service. They absolutely use workarounds to access AI, e.g. I bet there are companies who are proxy between Anthropic and those countries. I imagine there will be quite some false positives while identifying those.

This will do absolutely nothing to prevent those actors from accessing Claude... they already recruit young unemployed Americans to do proxy job interviews[0][1], etc. They'll just pay young unemployed Americans to do verification for them.

[0] https://www.tradingview.com/news/cointelegraph:6192f38e3094b...

[1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=QebpXFM1ha0

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are reasons for banning after verification, not reasons for requesting identity verification in the first place.

They request ID for bans so that they can ban you personally. ID checks may as well be a sign that you've already been banned and they're fishing for ways to make the ban harder to evade. Venmo does the same thing.

Maybe Anthropic just likes creating a market for dark identities. Because that's the most likely effect of such stupidity; generating more ID theft victims with no change to services to criminals.

Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

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post #37
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can guess at least one valid: * preventing North Korea, China, Russian, Iran and etc. actors from accessing service. They absolutely use workarounds to access AI, e.g. I bet there are companies who are proxy between Anthropic and those countries. I imagine there will be quite some false positives while identifying those.

This will do absolutely nothing to prevent those actors from accessing Claude... they already recruit young unemployed Americans to do proxy job interviews[0][1], etc. They'll just pay young unemployed Americans to do verification for them. [0] https://www.tradingview.com/news/cointelegraph:6192f38e3094b... [1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=QebpXFM1ha0

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Re: Claude may require identity verification in some cases

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They request ID for bans so that they can ban you personally. ID checks may as well be a sign that you've already been banned and they're fishing for ways to make the ban harder to evade. Venmo does the same thing.

Maybe Anthropic just likes creating a market for dark identities. Because that's the most likely effect of such stupidity; generating more ID theft victims with no change to services to criminals.

Is a "dark identity" one that's never been shared with an identity-theft-as-a-service? Or is it just of one that's (supposed to be) privacy-conscious (and wouldn't otherwise have been an easy victim)?
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