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The AI revolution in math has arrived

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Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

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We can define a Dyson Sphere in math. We cannot build one. AI outputting axiomatically valid syntax isn't going to be all that useful. It's possible to generate all axiomatically correct math with a for loop until the machine OOMs Physics is not math and math is not physics.

You just failed the Turing test.

Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

#32
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Last week I got together with my math alumni friend. We cracked some beers, we chatted with voice mode ChatGPT and toyed around with Collatz Conjecture and we sent some prompt to a coding agent to build visualizations and simulation. It was a lot of fun directing these agents while we bounced off ideas and the models could explore them. I think with the right problem and the right agentic loop it’s clear to me improv…

I think voice mode uses weaker models, just an FYI relative to the SOTA

Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

#33

Mathematics seems like the ideal candidate for AIs to achieve absurd results. It's a purely abstract grammar with true auto-verifiability. Even SWE has the requirement of interacting with real physical things. In math there's no external feedback required, you're solely bounded by the rate and quality of token generation.

This misses the mark on at least two accounts: 1. Proofs without human understanding have less value for mathematicians 2. At least for now, interestingness depends on human judgment. It is subjective and not as verifiable.

Every new mathematician that comes along doesn’t know everything that has come before him. He needs to go learn all the math that his predecessors did. I don’t see how an LLM coming up with these proofs changes that.

Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

#34

I wonder when AI will be able to discern the passage of time

Altman has estimated one year until ChatGPT is capable of measuring time passed. https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/chatgpt/articles/chatgpt-fails-mis...

There's no need to "estimate" it. "Time" is not something built into training and sampling a generative distribution. He might as well have told you your Naive Bayes email filters will measure time passed.

Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This misses the mark on at least two accounts: 1. Proofs without human understanding have less value for mathematicians 2. At least for now, interestingness depends on human judgment. It is subjective and not as verifiable.

Every new mathematician that comes along doesn’t know everything that has come before him. He needs to go learn all the math that his predecessors did. I don’t see how an LLM coming up with these proofs changes that.

Because the problem space is basically infinite. If a person is working on a problem, its probably interesting to at least one person. Randomly walking through the problem space might be interesting, but I don't know how the signal will fare against other humans.

Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

#37

We can define a Dyson Sphere in math. We cannot build one. AI outputting axiomatically valid syntax isn't going to be all that useful. It's possible to generate all axiomatically correct math with a for loop until the machine OOMs Physics is not math and math is not physics.

You just failed the Turing test.

The Turing test just failed you. I'll go one better, physics isn't reality, it's a model of reality utilizing math.

Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

#38

We can define a Dyson Sphere in math. We cannot build one. AI outputting axiomatically valid syntax isn't going to be all that useful. It's possible to generate all axiomatically correct math with a for loop until the machine OOMs Physics is not math and math is not physics.

You just failed the Turing test.

Maybe he passed the Turing test with 88.2% which is 1.8% higher than the competition.

Re: The AI revolution in math has arrived

#39

Mathematics seems like the ideal candidate for AIs to achieve absurd results. It's a purely abstract grammar with true auto-verifiability. Even SWE has the requirement of interacting with real physical things. In math there's no external feedback required, you're solely bounded by the rate and quality of token generation.

Grammar seems like you’re talking about LLMs specifically. Well, isn’t Sudoku just math? LLMs suck at Sudoku last I checked. When told not to code a solver, its very first deduction was wrong.
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