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US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by WarmWash »

hgoel wrote: post #15
drnick1 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given that the US failed to seize Iran's uranium stockpile and failed to open the Strait of Hormuz militarily The U.S. hasn't even come close to trying to seize the uranium and open the Straight militarily. When a country had most of its air force and navy destroyed, it is not in a position to demand anything. The Iranians have some missiles and drones left, but they are increasingly isolated and on their last legs…

Insane reasoning after threatening genocide, the "no quarter" comment, previous bad faith negotiations, then further bombing the people trying to negotiate in previous attempts. This isn't just about the current regime wanting to stay in power, do you think the average Iranian is going to trust the side that literally threatened to end their civilization overnight? That goes far beyond calling for regime change.

May I remind you the Iranian regime was locking down the internet and shooting protesters in the street in the weeks leading up to the attack.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by raincole »

dh2022 wrote: post #11

JD Vance will find himself under the proverbial bus in 3, 2, …

Why? You think Iran will assassinate him? Trump obviously didn't have high expectation about the agreement in the first place. The US has been sending more troops and ships to ME nonstop. They didn't go to Pakistan in good faith (neither did Iran, I guess.)

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by bawolff »

kumarvvr wrote: post #23

What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? The only options left for US are large scale bombing, like in Vietnam or Cambodia OR putting soldiers on the ground. Going on for years. Or drop a nuke. Bombing will be of limited use and extremely costly, because is Iran is too large. Its a geographical fortress, mostly large mountain ranges, or deserts. Soldiers on the ground means a large scale…

> What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter?

Arguably, in a continous war setting Iran eventually runs out of money to pay its soldiers or build new misiles. Especially if their oil facilities are bombed.

I dont think iran can physically keep this up long term. The counter balance to that is usa cannot keep this up politically even in the short term.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by hgoel »

WarmWash wrote: post #31
hgoel wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insane reasoning after threatening genocide, the "no quarter" comment, previous bad faith negotiations, then further bombing the people trying to negotiate in previous attempts. This isn't just about the current regime wanting to stay in power, do you think the average Iranian is going to trust the side that literally threatened to end their civilization overnight? That goes far beyond calling for regime change.

May I remind you the Iranian regime was locking down the internet and shooting protesters in the street in the weeks leading up to the attack.

How does that justify threatening genocide and the end of their civilization?

Having previously lived in Iran for 4 years, I know that the Iranian regime is very oppressive and cruel, but all the US has done is fuel them. They thought that bombing Iran and killing Khamenei would lead to civil war and a collapse of the regime. It did none of that and invited retaliation. In return, the US just made all of the regime's claims true by making the very threats the regime had been saying were the US's intentions for the Iranian people.

Being precise and consistent in messaging that the goal was regime change would've been the absolute bare minimum bar for lending credibility to this war.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by postsantum »

WarmWash wrote: post #31
hgoel wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Insane reasoning after threatening genocide, the "no quarter" comment, previous bad faith negotiations, then further bombing the people trying to negotiate in previous attempts. This isn't just about the current regime wanting to stay in power, do you think the average Iranian is going to trust the side that literally threatened to end their civilization overnight? That goes far beyond calling for regime change.

May I remind you the Iranian regime was locking down the internet and shooting protesters in the street in the weeks leading up to the attack.

Didn't americans/israelis admit recently they had mossad agents to incite the violence and supplied guns?

Hamfisted propaganda is not working as well as before

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by freddydumont »

dh2022 wrote: post #24
petesergeant wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s the one guy Trump can’t fire though

Genuinely interested: why not? Thanks!

VP is an elected official, not appointed by the president.

President could sideline him, but his role in the senate cannot be removed except by impeachment.

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by WarmWash »

kumarvvr wrote: post #23

What leverage does US actually have here? Even Israel for that matter? The only options left for US are large scale bombing, like in Vietnam or Cambodia OR putting soldiers on the ground. Going on for years. Or drop a nuke. Bombing will be of limited use and extremely costly, because is Iran is too large. Its a geographical fortress, mostly large mountain ranges, or deserts. Soldiers on the ground means a large scale…

The US was banking on a revolution, which hasn't yet materialized.

A near term power vacuum and civil war might not be unlikely right now. This war started (on purpose) when Iran was the furthest thing from "united".

Re: US – Iran negotiations end with no deal reached

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

ndiddy wrote: post #7

Ali Gholhaki, an Iranian journalist who often publishes first-hand news about impending developments with the IRGC, has reported that the US's demands were the removal of Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, no nuclear enrichment whatsoever, and US management of the Strait of Hormuz. In exchange they were not offering any commitment regarding Lebanon. https://x.com/aghplt/status/2043092254416605522 Given that the US…

>Given that the US failed to seize Iran's uranium stockpile

I did not think this was possible. The three sites that were bombed in 2025 are all pretty centrally located within the country. Even if you can get troops there, the facilities are hardened and at least partially underground. Depending on how effective you believe the 2025 strikes to be, some of the facilities may be collapsed under tons of rock. There is no way to smash-and-grab the already enriched uranium.

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