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Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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It's simple. It's because AI is the scariest technology ever made. Human intelligence has proven itself capable of doing a lot of scary things. And AI research is keen on building ever more capable and more scalable intelligence. By now, the list of advantages humans still have over machines is both finite and rapidly diminishing. If that doesn't make you uneasy, you're in denial.

"Why be afraid of nukes it's not like they WANT to blow up"

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Why does the uncanny valley[1] exist? (If it truly does.) What in our evolutionary history gave us a reflexive rejection of things that seem human but aren't? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

My guess? Psychological disorders, like psychosis

Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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This article would be a lot more digestible if we didn't have actual scary data rather than just stories. Not a day goes by without some prompt injection oopsie, security gotcha, deepfake or some sandbox escape artist demonstration and tbh I'm impressed but more to the point where I don't doubt this is dangerous tech, I'm sure of it.

This is roughly 1995 again and we're going to find out all over why mixing instructions and data was a spectacularly bad idea. Only now with human language as the input stream, which is far more expressive than HTML or SQL ever were. So now everybody is a hacker. At least in that sense it has leveled the playing field I guess.

Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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post #3

It does feel like a bizarre moment, where the AI companies are deliberately trying to scare us about their own product in a bid to, I think, show the inevitability of it? Or to sell themselves as the one responsible power to constrain it? It's very odd. "It's going to take all your jobs" is not a great selling point to the everyday public.

They're selling the product to the class of people who would love for it to take the jobs of our class of people.

Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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We tell ourselves scary stories about AI because humanity is rife with stories where a new idea or technology has had unintended negative consequences. AI bros just care about selling their product to another company and cashing out, they have absolutely no regard for their legacy.

Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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It's simple. It's because AI is the scariest technology ever made. Human intelligence has proven itself capable of doing a lot of scary things. And AI research is keen on building ever more capable and more scalable intelligence. By now, the list of advantages humans still have over machines is both finite and rapidly diminishing. If that doesn't make you uneasy, you're in denial.

This is untrue. What is being diminished is the value of humans doing repetitive or uncreative tasks.

Many have built their careers from that kind of work in the past and yes they are threatened, but that kind of work is inherently not collaborative and more vocational.

Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

#38

It's simple. It's because AI is the scariest technology ever made. Human intelligence has proven itself capable of doing a lot of scary things. And AI research is keen on building ever more capable and more scalable intelligence. By now, the list of advantages humans still have over machines is both finite and rapidly diminishing. If that doesn't make you uneasy, you're in denial.

I don't know, I think nuclear weapons are scarier. And also probably a useful parallel: they're so dangerous that we coined the term "mutually assured destruction" and everyone recognized that it was so dangerous to use them that they've only ever been used once.

I see the flood of PR from AI firms as an attempt to make sure we don't build the appropriate safeguards this time around, because there's too much money to be made.

Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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I think the most insightful bit is buried in the article:

> Perhaps because this is the best advertising money can’t buy. People like Harari and others repeat these accounts like ghost stories around a campfire. The public, awed and afraid, marvels at the capabilities of AI.

And that's mostly it. PR. Publicity. Fear is good publicity if it emphasizes AI's capabilities. And people like Harari (or Gladwell) tell interesting and awe-inspiring stories that do not necessarily have much rigor or fact-checking in them. They simplify for storytelling purposes, which can result in misleading stories.

I am worried about AI, but not about superintelligent AI that will exterminate or enslave us. I'm worried about AI as a tool to concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the current amoral entrepreneurial elite. I'm not sure whether I trust ChatGPT, but I sure as hell do NOT trust Sam Altman et al.

Or, in other words, I subscribe to Ted Chiang's very apt remark about what we really fear:

> “There’s an article I love by [the sci-fi author] Ted Chiang,” Mitchell said, “where he asks: What entity adheres monomaniacally to one single goal that they will pursue at all costs even if doing so uses up all the resources of the world? A big corporation. Their single goal is to increase value for shareholders, and in pursuing that, they can destroy the world. That’s what people are modeling their AI fantasies on.” As Chiang put it in the article in The New Yorker, “Capitalism is the machine that will do whatever it takes to prevent us from turning it off.”

Re: Why do we tell ourselves scary stories about AI?

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One thing that strikes me that I never really see anyone discuss is that we've been afraid of conscious computers for a _long_ time. Back in the 50s and before people were quite afraid that we'd build conscious computers. This was long before there was any sense that could actually accomplish the task. I think that similarly to seeing faces in the clouds, we imagine a consciousness where none exists. (eg: a rain god…

Are they? Not conscious? If you list out every prominent theory of consciousness, you'd find that about a quarter rules out LLMs, a quarter tentatively rules LLMs in, and what remains is "uncertain about LLMs". And, of course, we don't know which theory of consciousness is correct - or if any of them is. So, what is it that makes you so sure, oh so very certain, that LLMs just "feel" conscious but aren't?

The fact that it's a box with a plug and a state that can be fully known. A conscious entity has a state that can not be fully known. Far smarter people than me have made this argument and in a much more eloquent way.

Turing aimed too low.

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