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US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by Y-bar »

mchaver wrote: post #27
toast0 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Draft registration is compulsory based on residency; registering someone in error has no consequences unless there is a draft, which seems unlikely (no draft since Vietnam, large differences in how the US carries out war since then). In the event of erroneous registration when there is an active draft, past procedure was to allow time to reply and object, including through court process, so an erroneous registration…

In many countries, having citizenship means you are registered to vote. It is pretty convenient. Just show your ID card and you can vote.

It is also worth noting that in these countries it is significantly less hassle and lower monetary costs to get an ID card than in the USA.

Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by 7thpower »

marvin wrote: post #15
RaSoJo wrote: post #11

>The new rule, proposed by a government agency, would see men being registered automatically rather than being asked to do so themselves within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Honest question: Why is there no such auto registration for women?

Because it's a polite fiction that men and women are equally capable and expendable at warfare. Successful and enduring human societies practice traditions around warfare that reflect this.

There are roles other than infantry in war, right?

Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by actionfromafar »

hilbert42 wrote: post #30
giantg2 wrote: post #21

This isn't as big of a deal as people are hyping it up to be. This (and things like including women) has been talked about for a while now. Men have been required to register for selective service during all recent times. This just saves you the trouble of going to the post office to fill out the form (or maybe it's online finally).

Now all that Social Media, Google account data, online banking info etc. comes home to roost. Unlike Vietnam, one can no longer hide from government in times of unrest. Perhaps that's the wake-up call privacy needs.

No biggie, you can always develop bonespurs!

Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by sublinear »

giantg2 wrote: post #21

This isn't as big of a deal as people are hyping it up to be. This (and things like including women) has been talked about for a while now. Men have been required to register for selective service during all recent times. This just saves you the trouble of going to the post office to fill out the form (or maybe it's online finally).

> A vast majority of US states and territories also automatically register men for selective service when driver's licenses are issued.

I think a lot of people either (understandably) forgot or didn't pay attention to the details of when they got their driver's license, or we have a bot problem spreading toxic propaganda.

The majority of men are already registered. I agree this is not controversial.

Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by orwin »

marvin wrote: post #15
RaSoJo wrote: post #11

>The new rule, proposed by a government agency, would see men being registered automatically rather than being asked to do so themselves within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Honest question: Why is there no such auto registration for women?

Because it's a polite fiction that men and women are equally capable and expendable at warfare. Successful and enduring human societies practice traditions around warfare that reflect this.

I mean, the mongols were probably the most successful military, taking on armies five times their size with better metalworks. They used women as fighters. Japanese Bushi ('samurai' class) also had women in their ranks, and Celtic traditions had women not only serving in the army, but very often as arms teachers (military instructor), and sometimes war leaders. Some of the army leaders who troubled Rome the most were women. You can also take a look at the Vikings if you want a fourth example.

The fact is, western military traditions it sexist for no good reason. Yes, the strongest woman will be weaker than the strongest man. Yes, it you take a sport like swordfighting, the best woman will be at the level of the 50th best man. But we're not talking about taking champions on a 1 on 1 duel here. We aren't even talking about fighting. What really matters in armies is endurance, and women are close enough to men on that that it shouldn't really matter.

And even if you want to think of war as a succession of duels, war have changed in the last century. Women are just better as shooting than men, especially when standing.

Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by InfiniteLoup »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #24

It's just a change to the already mandatory registration. It doesn't mean they are going to call up the draft.

>It doesn't mean they are going to call up the draft.

Are you aware of the concept of "boiling the frog"?

2027: "It's just calling up the draft. It doesn't mean they are going to be sent to the frontline."

Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by comrade1234 »

austin-cheney wrote: post #28
comrade1234 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No student loans? No government job? There are consequences but they're easy to resolve.

I never had problems with any of those.

You were probably registered when you got a drivers license.

Re: US plans to automatically register young men for military draft

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Post by cyanydeez »

sublinear wrote: post #35
giantg2 wrote: post #21

This isn't as big of a deal as people are hyping it up to be. This (and things like including women) has been talked about for a while now. Men have been required to register for selective service during all recent times. This just saves you the trouble of going to the post office to fill out the form (or maybe it's online finally).

> A vast majority of US states and territories also automatically register men for selective service when driver's licenses are issued. I think a lot of people either (understandably) forgot or didn't pay attention to the details of when they got their driver's license, or we have a bot problem spreading toxic propaganda. The majority of men are already registered. I agree this is not controversial.

usually things are controversial in context.

its bizarre when people act like the preceding day, week, month, etc has no bearing on the weight of activities. same with who makes the decisions and their biases

if you want to present the history of why now, go ahead but acting like a gollygeewhiz LLM about it is bizzare and incurious.

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