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Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by zurfer »

glimshe wrote: post #24
arowthway wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not disputing that conspiracy theorists tend to lack rigor but there is a full spectrum of positions between "space is fake" and "one specific extraordinary achievement with high incentive to fake it is fake".

There's indeed a full spectrum of positions in this case, but they are all worthless in the sense that they add nothing to someone's understanding of reality.

You know some people grow up in untrustworthy environments and auto didact their way to something like first principles thinking and depending on things shaking out you might only believe what you've personally seen with your own eyes. And well, earth looks pretty flat in daily life.

Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by rsynnott »

voidUpdate wrote: post #6

I enjoy how moon-landing deniers will use the van Allen belts as a reason for why the astronauts could not have made it to the moon because of radiation exposure. Like, you don't believe NASA that they went to the moon, but you believe NASA that the van Allen belts exist?

Strictly speaking, their existence was verified by Sputnik 2 (though the Soviets only released data on it after the fact, corroborating data from Explorer 1), so if you have a highly _specific_ conspiracy theory, around NASA rather than space stuff in general, that _could_ still work, I suppose?

Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30
voidUpdate wrote: post #6

I enjoy how moon-landing deniers will use the van Allen belts as a reason for why the astronauts could not have made it to the moon because of radiation exposure. Like, you don't believe NASA that they went to the moon, but you believe NASA that the van Allen belts exist?

Any entertaining “Artemis II is a hoax” takes?

I haven't been actively looking for them, but a friend sent me something about the launch tower escape zipline/gondolas and how that somehow indicated something fraudulent. He is not a denier, but works with one and is always asking me to refute that person's claims.

Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by blitzar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30
voidUpdate wrote: post #6

I enjoy how moon-landing deniers will use the van Allen belts as a reason for why the astronauts could not have made it to the moon because of radiation exposure. Like, you don't believe NASA that they went to the moon, but you believe NASA that the van Allen belts exist?

Any entertaining “Artemis II is a hoax” takes?

I am fairly certain that Artemis II has proven conclusively that they were right all along and the world is flat.

Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by cubefox »

spacedoutman wrote: post #28
cubefox wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are desperate for extra safety then just include multiple computers, literally what spacex does. That does nothing to protect the human body from the radiation damage. Talking about microchips is a distraction.

Depending what model you subscribe too, small dose radiation can be healthy for you.

The radiation in space is not "small dose". It's firmly established that it is quite bad for human health.

Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by gambiting »

samus wrote: post #18
gambiting wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>The errors caused by radiation are extremely frequent and you definitely must guard against them, otherwise anything will fail immediately in space. I asked this in another thread but I will repeat it here - how come that their bog standard iPhones that they use for taking pictures with are still operating fine then? If like you said, "anything will fail immediately" - doesn't sound like that's the case? They have…

None of these devices are mission-critical. Worst case they have to be restarted; then they are fine again and the world moves on.

Yes, but that wasn't the question. OP said anything that's not radiation hardened will fail immediately - to which I ask ok, what about all the stuff they brought up with them which doesn't seem to be instantly failing.

Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by jrmg »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30
voidUpdate wrote: post #6

I enjoy how moon-landing deniers will use the van Allen belts as a reason for why the astronauts could not have made it to the moon because of radiation exposure. Like, you don't believe NASA that they went to the moon, but you believe NASA that the van Allen belts exist?

Any entertaining “Artemis II is a hoax” takes?

You just need to look at the Facebook comments on any official NASA post about Artemis to see depressingly many of them. Some are joking or trolling, I’m sure, but I don’t think all.

Re: Artemis II and the invisible hazard on the way to the Moon

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Post by Tangurena2 »

hydrogen7800 wrote: post #34
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any entertaining “Artemis II is a hoax” takes?

I haven't been actively looking for them, but a friend sent me something about the launch tower escape zipline/gondolas and how that somehow indicated something fraudulent. He is not a denier, but works with one and is always asking me to refute that person's claims.

If your friend is trying to "cure" the denier, then it might be helpful for them to learn some of the tactics for reaching/deprogramming cult members. One that might be helpful is "street epistemology".

Link: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Street_Epistemology

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