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Re: Bevy game development tutorials and in-depth resources

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Post by jaggederest »

IshKebab wrote: post #16
jaggederest wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a long time ruby enjoyer and now also rust enjoyer, the core syntax and systems of rust are very rubyesque in a lot of ways, you can tell that some of the core contributors liked the language.

Really? What do you think comes from Ruby? Rust mostly seems to be inspired by ML and C++. Actually I just checked the "official" list and they only list the closure syntax which seems pretty minor: https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/influences.html

Iterator style, chaining, traits, blocks all feel very rubyesque, and expression syntax as well, plus the cargo toolchain is very bundler-informed.

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vivzkestrel wrote: post #5

- since we are on the topic, i wanted to ask people here - could someone kindly share some resources on c++ game development - here is what i have - https://gamedev.net/tutorials/ - https://shader-learning.com/ - https://learnopengl.com/ - https://shaderacademy.com/ - https://www.gabrielgambetta.com/client-server-game-architect... - https://github.com/0xFA11/MultiplayerNetworkingResources - just a headsup, i am looki…

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Re: Bevy game development tutorials and in-depth resources

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Post by saghm »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #29
alfiedotwtf wrote: post #25

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I hear Rust being slow to compile is their biggest gripe, but really - look at what you’re gaining for the slowdown! Bevy gives you a very nice ECS to model your app but compilation can be slower than hand crafted code, while not using it gives you tonnes more code and the complexities that come with it, just to compile faster?

Bevy gives you a very nice ECS That's a single data structure. People say binaries start at 50 MB for a hello world program and 700 MB for the debug binaries. https://old.reddit.com/r/bevy/comments/16wcixk/cant_figure_o...

It's a single data structure that contains your entire game though? The whole point of the ECS is that literally everything uses the same data; it's like if you modeled every object in the world with one struct that has an optional field for every piece of data that could exist. I'm not saying that necessarily makes the tradeoff worthwhile, but calling it a "single data structure" is a bit reductive.

Re: Bevy game development tutorials and in-depth resources

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Post by saghm »

IshKebab wrote: post #21
leafario2 wrote: post #18

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Expression orientation

That's from functional programming.

I don't think anyone claimed that Ruby and Rust were the only two languages with those features, just that they're something they both have in common.

Re: Bevy game development tutorials and in-depth resources

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Post by IshKebab »

saghm wrote: post #36
IshKebab wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's from functional programming.

I don't think anyone claimed that Ruby and Rust were the only two languages with those features, just that they're something they both have in common.

The claim is that Rust took espression-orientation from Ruby. That's unlikely - it is much more inspired by FP languages which are also expression oriented.

Re: Bevy game development tutorials and in-depth resources

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Post by littlestymaar »

IshKebab wrote: post #16
jaggederest wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a long time ruby enjoyer and now also rust enjoyer, the core syntax and systems of rust are very rubyesque in a lot of ways, you can tell that some of the core contributors liked the language.

Really? What do you think comes from Ruby? Rust mostly seems to be inspired by ML and C++. Actually I just checked the "official" list and they only list the closure syntax which seems pretty minor: https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/influences.html

A significant portion of the prominent community members come from Ruby so I guess there must be something …

Re: Bevy game development tutorials and in-depth resources

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Post by CyberDildonics »

saghm wrote: post #35
CyberDildonics wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bevy gives you a very nice ECS That's a single data structure. People say binaries start at 50 MB for a hello world program and 700 MB for the debug binaries. https://old.reddit.com/r/bevy/comments/16wcixk/cant_figure_o...

It's a single data structure that contains your entire game though? The whole point of the ECS is that literally everything uses the same data; it's like if you modeled every object in the world with one struct that has an optional field for every piece of data that could exist. I'm not saying that necessarily makes the tradeoff worthwhile, but calling it a "single data structure" is a bit reductive.

It's a single data structure that contains your entire game though?

Are you asking?

but calling it a "single data structure" is a bit reductive.

No it isn't. It's like a tiny database. Depending on how someone implements it, it could use arrays, hash maps and b-trees. There is no universe where this means a binary that does nothing should be 50 megabytes.

Re: Bevy game development tutorials and in-depth resources

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Post by fluffybucktsnek »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #39
saghm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a single data structure that contains your entire game though? The whole point of the ECS is that literally everything uses the same data; it's like if you modeled every object in the world with one struct that has an optional field for every piece of data that could exist. I'm not saying that necessarily makes the tradeoff worthwhile, but calling it a "single data structure" is a bit reductive.

It's a single data structure that contains your entire game though? Are you asking? but calling it a "single data structure" is a bit reductive. No it isn't. It's like a tiny database. Depending on how someone implements it, it could use arrays, hash maps and b-trees. There is no universe where this means a binary that does nothing should be 50 megabytes .

> It's like a tiny database.

No it isn't. It also handles system management and concurrency, basically the main loop of your application.

I also would be cautious of assigning the blame of the binary size onto the data structure on its own.

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