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Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by ehasbrouck »

jjmarr wrote: post #23

If you're a man that didn't sign up between 18 and 25, you permanently lose student aid in most states along with federal employment eligibility. Some even ban getting a driver's license. In practice, it's young men of lower socioeconomic statuses that are failing to register. This is due to lack of knowledge or presence in the system more than conscientious objection. e.g. Prison or being homeless. Many choose to ge…

The burden of proof is on the government to prove that any violation of the Military Selective service Act was "knowing and willful". That's almost impossible without a public confession, signature on a registered letter, or testimony of an FBI agent who served an order or notice to register or report for induction.

According to the Federal Office of Personnel Management, only 1% of cases of nonregistrants adjudicated by OPM result in denial of Federal employment. Almost everyone who appealed a denial got their job restored:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2024-02-07/pdf/2024-0...

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by ks2048 »

fiddeert wrote: post #21
Aboutplants wrote: post #5

I still don’t understand why, if they are having trouble with recruitment, they simply won’t raise the pay to entice more recruits? We have a seemingly unlimited budget for bombs but god forbid you pay for smart, qualified people willing to actually do the work. It is as simple as that and not anymore complicated

It's not a problem that money can solve. If you think it is, it's over. It wasn't that long ago that men would sign up for almost-certain death in defence of their families, their people, their nation. Recognise that young men have nothing worth fighting for now. There is a much larger issue that can't be solved by throwing a few more shekels at disillusioned mercenaries.

The more history I learn, the more I see how big of a role mercenaries played in wars of the past.

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by heavyset_go »

fiddeert wrote: post #21
Aboutplants wrote: post #5

I still don’t understand why, if they are having trouble with recruitment, they simply won’t raise the pay to entice more recruits? We have a seemingly unlimited budget for bombs but god forbid you pay for smart, qualified people willing to actually do the work. It is as simple as that and not anymore complicated

It's not a problem that money can solve. If you think it is, it's over. It wasn't that long ago that men would sign up for almost-certain death in defence of their families, their people, their nation. Recognise that young men have nothing worth fighting for now. There is a much larger issue that can't be solved by throwing a few more shekels at disillusioned mercenaries.

Washington wouldn't have had an army if he didn't pay them, you can't have wars between nations that rely on the morale of the public to sacrifice themselves and their children to the front lines in order to protect the wealthy's interests, you'll run out of true believers very quickly.

You'll need to pay people not to defect, desert or try to get their family asylum somewhere that isn't a warzone. That, or you force them through conscription.

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by estearum »

fiddeert wrote: post #21
Aboutplants wrote: post #5

I still don’t understand why, if they are having trouble with recruitment, they simply won’t raise the pay to entice more recruits? We have a seemingly unlimited budget for bombs but god forbid you pay for smart, qualified people willing to actually do the work. It is as simple as that and not anymore complicated

It's not a problem that money can solve. If you think it is, it's over. It wasn't that long ago that men would sign up for almost-certain death in defence of their families, their people, their nation. Recognise that young men have nothing worth fighting for now. There is a much larger issue that can't be solved by throwing a few more shekels at disillusioned mercenaries.

> Recognise that young men have nothing worth fighting for now.

There's a lot worth fighting for, it's just not the particular people we've been fighting.

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by kstrauser »

linkregister wrote: post #8
Aboutplants wrote: post #5

I still don’t understand why, if they are having trouble with recruitment, they simply won’t raise the pay to entice more recruits? We have a seemingly unlimited budget for bombs but god forbid you pay for smart, qualified people willing to actually do the work. It is as simple as that and not anymore complicated

This selective service policy change is unrelated to any prospective or ongoing military operations. Enlisted personnel typically out-earn civilian counterparts when tax-free allowances are accounted. Officers have accepted comparably low pay for the history of the U.S. armed services. Cited reasons include prestige, networking opportunities, and as a distant third, sense of duty to nation.

> Enlisted personnel typically out-earn civilian counterparts when tax-free allowances are accounted.

Citation heavily needed. When I was a junior non-com, my civilian colleagues made way more than I did, even including the (quite nice) military benefits, even when ignoring the fact that 80 hour workweeks are commonplace on deployment.

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by hunter-gatherer »

Spooky23 wrote: post #26
frugalmail wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was historically called "Department of War" then renamed to "Department of Defense" and of course, recently reverted to the original name.

It did not. The Trumpist "Department of War" is stupid branding. No law passed to change the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Wa...

Pick up any non fiction book about US foreign policy written before 1947 and you'll commonly see "War Department" or even "War Office".

Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by fiddeert »

estearum wrote: post #34
fiddeert wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a problem that money can solve. If you think it is, it's over. It wasn't that long ago that men would sign up for almost-certain death in defence of their families, their people, their nation. Recognise that young men have nothing worth fighting for now. There is a much larger issue that can't be solved by throwing a few more shekels at disillusioned mercenaries.

> Recognise that young men have nothing worth fighting for now. There's a lot worth fighting for, it's just not the particular people we've been fighting.

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Re: Automatic registration for US Military draft to begin in December

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Post by tbrownaw »

hunter-gatherer wrote: post #36
Spooky23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did not. The Trumpist "Department of War" is stupid branding. No law passed to change the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Wa... Pick up any non fiction book about US foreign policy written before 1947 and you'll commonly see "War Department" or even "War Office".

The comment you're replying to wasn't about the original name, it was about the current name.
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