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AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

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Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

#31

We're all pretty sold on the idea that ads are a bad thing, but would we rather pay for all of the content that is ad-supported?

Obviously we would not rather pay. The internet is the bastion of free (beer) information/stuff-that-can-be-transferred-electronically, and I think a great percentage of users prefer said free-ness.

All the same, I am more and more convinced that subscription funded, high-quality digital content production is the correct path for the future.

Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

#33
post #32

I am willing to see ads in return for the free services I get. I get free TV shows without cable and free movies on Youtube. Really, what business model does this kickstarter project advocate?

> what business model does this kickstarter project advocate?

One where ads are not so annoying people go to the trouble of buying this and setting it up. Malware ads, video ads, ads deliberately designed to fool people into thinking they have a virus and need to CLICK NOW! are all reasons why people would be considering going to the immense trouble of getting this little piece of gear and making it work for them.

Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

#34
post #22

No ads on the Internet? Seriously, how do you think the economy would work without ads? If everyone got one of these, I could tell my boss on monday to close the company.

Good. It's time for a better business model. Ads suck - they're badly implemented, bloated, bug-ridden, privacy invading security holes at worst, and not much better at best. Every network I have admin for gets a Privoxy HTTP proxy by default and adblock plus/noscript/requestpolicy as strongly advised. My users love it. These guys are right - it's time for change.

You say that the creators of this device are right about something that I don't believe they set out to change. If sites stopped displaying ads then no one would buy their product. If the creators become successful in selling this device then they can only continue being successful as long as ads are a problem to a large enough number of people. The ideal world in which their business model can thrive is one where ads are awful and stay that way.

Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

#35
post #19

So this is a bridge-mode transparent HTTP proxy with Privoxy running on it? [Or the equivalent thereof?] Or does it do an SSL MITM attack on all your traffic? The former is interesting mostly because it doesn't require end-user configuration, so to a naive user it really is plug-it-in-and-works. The latter is, as several have now pointed out, horrendously awful. What nobody seems to have mentioned yet, though, is tha…

I think all it does is to block/poison ad-based domain from resolving to their respective IPs. Very low overhead and gives you the same result. You can also achieve the same thing if you have a dd-wrt installed router: http://www.howtogeek.com/51477/how-to-remove-advertisements-...

Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

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post #20

This is actually a really interesting product, but there are very few details. My big concern is one of trust - if I'm going to literally route all my network traffic through this device, how can I trust that it's not doing something nefarious? Also, what kind of performance does this device offer? Given that it's inspecting every connection, this might put a limit on the throughput it can provide and/or add addition…

>If I'm going to literally route all my network traffic through this device, how can I trust that it's not doing something nefarious? How do you know that your modem, router, and ISP aren't doing something nefarious? Somehow I doubt a product which explicitly does Bad Things© to your datastream will sell well.

> How do you know that your modem, router, and ISP aren't doing something nefarious?

I run Linux on my router and encrypt traffic of any value beyond it. This being HN, it's probably not a particularly unusual setup.

Which brings me to the most important question about that device, why not move its functionality to the router? Why yet another box?

Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I'm going to literally route all my network traffic through this device, how can I trust that it's not doing something nefarious? How do you know that your modem, router, and ISP aren't doing something nefarious? Somehow I doubt a product which explicitly does Bad Things© to your datastream will sell well.

> How do you know that your modem, router, and ISP aren't doing something nefarious? I run Linux on my router and encrypt traffic of any value beyond it. This being HN, it's probably not a particularly unusual setup. Which brings me to the most important question about that device, why not move its functionality to the router? Why yet another box?

I'd guess because selling yet another router would put them into stiff competition with only a single feature to differentiate them. Seems like the motto here is do one thing very well.

Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

#39
post #20

This is actually a really interesting product, but there are very few details. My big concern is one of trust - if I'm going to literally route all my network traffic through this device, how can I trust that it's not doing something nefarious? Also, what kind of performance does this device offer? Given that it's inspecting every connection, this might put a limit on the throughput it can provide and/or add addition…

>If I'm going to literally route all my network traffic through this device, how can I trust that it's not doing something nefarious? How do you know that your modem, router, and ISP aren't doing something nefarious? Somehow I doubt a product which explicitly does Bad Things© to your datastream will sell well.

Each additional entity that has access increases the risk. You have no choice but to trust somebody for the modem, router, and ISP, but an ad blocker is entirely optional.

Re: AdTrap removes ads between your modem and router

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I'm going to literally route all my network traffic through this device, how can I trust that it's not doing something nefarious? How do you know that your modem, router, and ISP aren't doing something nefarious? Somehow I doubt a product which explicitly does Bad Things© to your datastream will sell well.

> How do you know that your modem, router, and ISP aren't doing something nefarious? I run Linux on my router and encrypt traffic of any value beyond it. This being HN, it's probably not a particularly unusual setup. Which brings me to the most important question about that device, why not move its functionality to the router? Why yet another box?

At some point you will have to trust another part. I could easily use a VPN to another location, but there would probably be someone at that location which would be able to intercept the traffic. The only way to be sure is to use end-to-end encryption, and unless those you are "talking to" support it, it's little you can do about it.
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