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UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by actionfromafar »

mschuster91 wrote: post #4
lschueller wrote: post #2

The article makes the impression, that this security threats caused by climate change are somewhat new to gov bodies. As this is not true, the risks for political and societal stability and security have been very well researched in depth in the respective scientific disciplines since the Club of Rome firstly broad this topic to the larger public attention in 1972. But the contradicting forces are not long-term persp…

That doesn't mean that efforts to suppress awareness and subsequently action against climate change isn't being done to this very day. Some of it is done by governments (such as mentioned here, or with the EPA dismantling in the US), some by hostile governments (e.g. Russia funding a lot of the Western far-right parties that all run on climate change denial), some by fossil fuel companies (e.g. BP creating the "CO2 f…

Or are presidents!

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by OgsyedIE »

sunshine-o wrote: post #11

Here is the solution nobody is talking about: The population of the UK or Europe did not explode in the last hundred years. It did not even double. The population used to be more rural and relatively self sufficient in terms of food. There is actually enough land in Europe to feed everybody, especially considering the great progress we made scientifically. You can actually sustain yourself on a few hundred square met…

Moving from the current situation to the situation you describe is impossible, because the UK has far too much debt and far too small an annual government income to pay for even the popular kinds of infrastructure spending, let alone the degrowth proposition you articulate. The millionaires really do take their assets and leave if taxes are raised and a Mossad-style international program to repatriate them in duffel bags would see the government that initiated it both out of power permanently and in cells themselves.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by defrost »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #18
defrost wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's certainly a justified hatred of faux-farmers of convenience such as Clarkson et al. I suspect that's the hatred being mischaracterised and amplified by the GBNews Farrage crowd.

To his credit Clarkson has done more form farming with his show than countryfile or the archers has done in decades. He bought it as a tax break, but I’d leave not ire for “farmers” like the musician and vacuum cleaner salesman. Nothing caused me to laugh more at the “woe is the millionaire march” than seeing Lloyd Webber and his dog out on the march.

> vacuum cleaner salesman.

Dyson? Sure - he seems performative (from afar, I'm antipodean to this BTW) with his industrialised strawberry wheels etc.

> the musician

Lost me .. I'm sure the UK has a few gumbooted millionaire class rockers / composers - I'm guessing that's a throw at the impresario of musical theatre with a life peerage who is rarely seen cutting hay.

I'm not sure I'd class either of those as farmers (by our local understanding), and Clarkson smacks of content farmer cos player more than generationally consistent production farmer .. but perhaps he might get there.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by actionfromafar »

sunshine-o wrote: post #24
hdgvhicv wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe’s big problem is the hindered of millions of climate refugees on the doorstep. Even the most open heart liberal will baulk at the population doubling or more in 20 years. The only ones promising a solution will be the neofeudalists

But Europe also have to stop believing they can solve the world problems and act on a global scale. This time is long gone, about at least a hundred year. Every region, culture will need to find a path to sustainability in their own way. If the path they take is invading another region, it leads to war. Like it has been for thousands of years.

"Europe, you don't have global influence?" What is this? Disconnect, splinter and prepare for war?

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by teamonkey »

secondcoming wrote: post #5

> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

There’s no real hatred of farmers on the left, other than the fact that farmers generally vote small-c conservative.

There’s certainly a hatred of land owners, and vast amounts of UK farm land is privately owned, renting the land to farmers. It’s the right wing parties and press that takes that to mean that the left hate farmers.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by georgemcbay »

mschuster91 wrote: post #4
lschueller wrote: post #2

The article makes the impression, that this security threats caused by climate change are somewhat new to gov bodies. As this is not true, the risks for political and societal stability and security have been very well researched in depth in the respective scientific disciplines since the Club of Rome firstly broad this topic to the larger public attention in 1972. But the contradicting forces are not long-term persp…

That doesn't mean that efforts to suppress awareness and subsequently action against climate change isn't being done to this very day. Some of it is done by governments (such as mentioned here, or with the EPA dismantling in the US), some by hostile governments (e.g. Russia funding a lot of the Western far-right parties that all run on climate change denial), some by fossil fuel companies (e.g. BP creating the "CO2 f…

> or with the EPA dismantling in the US

In the US I feel we have entered the stage beyond trying to suppress awareness. Not that the government is being honest about it, but they also aren't really trying to hide it. They've just moved to not directly talking about it, and since our mainstream media is fully captured nobody is pushing them to talk about it. We've moved from trying to downplay the impact to just announcing what we plan to do about it as the impacts continue to manifest into reality.

We're going to continue down the path of fossil fuels (we have no intention of trying to lessen the severity at the cost of economic growth, number MUST GO UP) and we're going to attempt to take countries (Greenland, Canada) that "benefit" from the changes (at least in terms of having more livable/arable land). Migrants trying to enter the US to escape the catastrophes in their own countries will be thrown into concentration camps or worse. Large parts of the US will be impacted, of course, but those are sacrifices they're willing to make (and, hey... large scale displacement is good for the GDP!). Better double check your insurance policies.

Almost all of Trump 2.0's actions to date make a sort of sociopathic sense if you assume the various groups pulling his strings have accepted that large impacts from severe climate change are coming soon and have just decided to YOLO it.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by miningape »

kypro wrote: post #27
stinkbeetle wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would an open heart liberal have any concern with welcoming refugees?

Depends where they're coming from I guess. There's basically no where on Earth where people are as liberal as Europe. No liberal would want millions of people coming from Afghanistan, for example.

Well, I have something to tell you about the last decade+ of EU immigration policy

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by beejiu »

The UK is consistently amongst the lowest household expenditure on food in the entire world. Only 3 countries in the world are self sufficient in food. If this "reasonable worst-case" scenario happens, surely the UK is one of the better placed to deal with it?

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by sunshine-o »

actionfromafar wrote: post #34
sunshine-o wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Europe also have to stop believing they can solve the world problems and act on a global scale. This time is long gone, about at least a hundred year. Every region, culture will need to find a path to sustainability in their own way. If the path they take is invading another region, it leads to war. Like it has been for thousands of years.

"Europe, you don't have global influence?" What is this? Disconnect, splinter and prepare for war?

> Disconnect, splinter and prepare for war?

But this is what we are doing anyway...

I am just trying to articulate a path where can have better food security and sustainability.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by anthk »

sunshine-o wrote: post #11

Here is the solution nobody is talking about: The population of the UK or Europe did not explode in the last hundred years. It did not even double. The population used to be more rural and relatively self sufficient in terms of food. There is actually enough land in Europe to feed everybody, especially considering the great progress we made scientifically. You can actually sustain yourself on a few hundred square met…

Spaniard there, from rural background. Self-suficient... you wish. Post civil war even oranges were a luxury, something to be give as a present in Christmas. Any autharchic attemp, be left or right, just produced famines and misery.
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