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#32There are Hollywood studios knocking at their door for the story as we speak.
I’m reminds of that tweet about how America will bomb a country and then go back in 20 years and make a movie about how sad doing it made the soldiers.
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#34An interesting perspective I see all over X and reddit is calling these people heroes, but only once the rescue happened. The more tame responses simply state that they are happy everyone was rescued and no military was harmed. Why? Those pilots were flying over Iran illegally, presumably to inflict fatal harm on whichever targets.
Illegally? We're at war with Iran. They have consistently supported terrorism, they have an illegal nuclear program. They're lucky it's still at this level.
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#36The smartest thing Trump could do right now would be to take this as a "victory" and end the war.
I think he would have liked to end the war a while ago, but Iran and Israel disagree, so he's stuck.
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Conversely I find it strange how many people seem to want US servicemen to come to harm because it would validate their political views.
My political views are pretty simplistic: whoever initiates violence is the bad guy. That's problematic here, because neither the US nor Iran are strangers to initiating violence. So a further refinement is necessary, based on a principle that I haven't had to fall back on very often: whoever initiates violence during negotiations is the bad guy.
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How twisted as it sounds, I do believe that the outcome is beneficial to the US. China and EU are weakened by this mess big time.
The US will bear costs in the future.
EU does not expect to be paid back for Ukraine, they are paying with their lives and by being a lab for testing weapons and strategies. I'm just flabbedgasted by pro russian europeans thinking it'll be great to live under Putin. It's not like it hasn't been the case already.
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How twisted as it sounds, I do believe that the outcome is beneficial to the US. China and EU are weakened by this mess big time. The US will bear costs in the future. EU does not expect to be paid back for Ukraine, they are paying with their lives and by being a lab for testing weapons and strategies. I'm just flabbedgasted by pro russian europeans thinking it'll be great to live under Putin. It's not like it hasn't…
EU aid for Ukraine (yes this is a chatGPT overview):
Ukraine Facility (2024–2027): €33 billion of €50 billion is loans → 66%
MFA+ for 2023: €18 billion, all loans
Exceptional MFA backed by Russian-asset revenues (2024 package): €18.1 billion disbursed so far, loan
New EU package for 2026–2027: €90 billion, loan
Adding those together gives about €159.1 billion in loans out of €176.1 billion, or roughly 90% loans.
Oh, and before you ask, 2 out of 3 are not low-interest loans (only the one where the interest would go to Russia). If you're in France or Germany, your mortgage is cheaper than what Ukraine is paying the EU to defend itself from Russia "with EU help". And, yes, one might even point out that this means that Trump is correct when he says the US has given more to Ukraine than the EU. Given more, loaned (much) less. EU help consists 90% of allowing these loans in the first place.
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> win this war ASAP How can we define what this even means? I don’t think any of the naive initial aims were ever attainable - and the entire impulsive and irresponsible adventure has spiraled down into what looks like impatient and petty spite: smashing the toys because the big baby didn’t get the present he wanted.
We don't have to define it because we've won every day since the war started. Glorious leader said so