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European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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Pretty much the answer is Proton (mail, storage, password manager, VPN calendar, etc)

I have gotten some news for you... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47624558 : Proton Meet Isn't What They Told You It Was)

Even if you might trust other products of Proton, it certainly raises a suspicion/an eyebrow.

Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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It's so funny to see all of these websites generated by American LLMs hosted on American clouds. Footer "Made in Europe" needs a change to "Prompted in Europe", a la Apple's "Designed in California".

I'm a big proponent _and practitioner_ of moving away from US-controlled services. I urge people to do so at any opportunity I get and have already moved many things over. Any new project I undertake uses non-US services wherever possible.

But this vibecoded slop doesn't help much. If you want to actually be helpful, contribute to any of the 50 websites about the exact same concept that have been posted on HN over the last year.

Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr. There is literally a story trending on HN right now: Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy. This superiority complex ne…

> Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr.

That's a marketing slogan, not anything that is in the culture.

> This superiority complex needs to stop.

It exists in the US, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanism_(ideology)

Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr. There is literally a story trending on HN right now: Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy. This superiority complex ne…

I first learned when reading about Steve Jobs, how the Japanese never use "quality" in their advertising. Yet people still view(ed, at least) Japanese manufactured goods as superior quality. It turns out people don't judge quality based on what you tell them but based on their experience.

All this to say: I wouldn't stress about it too much. In the consumer space the best usually does win, and people will simply vote with their feet.

Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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The affiliate information shows that it the website shows mostly / only affiliate offers, and omits (intentionally?) much better a lternatives like posteo.de for email. Listed vendors like OVHcloud must follow the US cloud act, so not really independent from US.

Just advertising, no real privacy focused.

Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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NordVPN claims to operate under Panama jurisdiction (but is otherwise still based in Europe).

The specific reason why they want to operate under Panama law is that there's no mandatory data retention.

So it seems misguided to claim that purely-EU-based alternatives to NordVPN are 'safer' and 'more private' than Nord due to the location alone.

Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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post #23

Home page boldly claims: EuRopE dOeS iT BeTtEr. There is literally a story trending on HN right now: Proton built Proton Meet to escape the CLOUD Act. They built it on CLOUD Act infrastructure. Their website promises "not even government agencies" can access your calls. The company routing them hands your call records to the government when asked. Proton hid them from their privacy policy. This superiority complex ne…

> This superiority complex needs to stop.

There's one person in the world currently setting the example, with every single verbal or textual utterance.

This website ain't hurting anyone. Good on them, keep it up.

Re: European alternatives to Google, Apple, Dropbox and 120 US apps

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