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MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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...somehow the fact that it's only made out of FDA approved ingredients doesn't make me feel save at all. it's a lot of dangerous stuff that is approved for food and drug use in certain quantities... but it's always about the quantity and nobody can even begin to test the effects of the combinations. and it clearly spells out the fact that some non-negligible amount of it ends up being ingested, otherwise they wouldn…

You're making a lot of assumptions here. Perhaps they're founded, and perhaps they're not -- but either way, you seem to be using these folks' work as an effigy for a broader complaint with the food industry, or with the FDA. The industry may be shady, and the government does allow a lot of frightening substances into our food without adequate testing. But let's not burn some enterprising young kids for those mistakes.

Now, there are a lot of things we don't know about LiquiGlide. Maybe it's just a carbon-polymer matrix that keeps the ketchup flowing by mechanical action, and not by chemical action? Whatever it is, I would imagine that anyone designing such a substance would realize that ketchup is fairly acidic; therefore, LiquiGlide would need to be chemically inert when positioned next to an acid. I am not an organic chemist, but I imagine these guys had one, or consulted with one, or at any rate, know a lot more about the subject than I do. So if this stuff's occurring to me, no doubt it occurred to them.

To be fair, that doesn't mean the substance is safe. In fact, I'd probably share your skepticism about consuming ketchup from a bottle made with any nonstick coating, as the history of nonstick coatings is riddled with unsafe chemicals. That being said, I consider these kids and their work to be innocent until proven guilty.

Finally, if you don't want artificial ingredients in your food, then don't eat Heinz ketchup in the first place. :) Complaining about chemical additives to what is basically a sauce of chemical additives is a little like saying that you want your deep fried ice cream to be low-fat. Very little of what's in a bottle of Heinz ketchup even came from a tomato in the first place.

Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

#32
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did it never occur to them that they could just turn the bottle upside-down? Is that not why they designed the lids like that; so you could just stand them up on the lid?

Imagine that: we changed the way we store bottles just so that all the ketchup would all come out. Its a simple solution that works, but I think I would still prefer the slippery coating though.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic but Heinz have been selling ketchup in upside down bottles for years now.

http://blog.infotrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Heinz_...

Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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For anyone interested in the science, here's a paper:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/C2CP40581D [subscription required]

and the Masters thesis from the PhD student mentioned in the article:

http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/69783 [open access]

I believe they're the most relevant publications, but please correct me if I'm wrong (this isn't my area of expertise). I'm sure this specific technology is still a trade secret, but it at least shows the direction that group took to lead to the discovery. As always, these things aren't developed in a vacuum, and it's always interesting to see how they come about.

Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

#36
post #9

...somehow the fact that it's only made out of FDA approved ingredients doesn't make me feel save at all. it's a lot of dangerous stuff that is approved for food and drug use in certain quantities... but it's always about the quantity and nobody can even begin to test the effects of the combinations. and it clearly spells out the fact that some non-negligible amount of it ends up being ingested, otherwise they wouldn…

You're making a lot of assumptions here. Perhaps they're founded, and perhaps they're not -- but either way, you seem to be using these folks' work as an effigy for a broader complaint with the food industry, or with the FDA. The industry may be shady, and the government does allow a lot of frightening substances into our food without adequate testing. But let's not burn some enterprising young kids for those mistake…

You're _also_ making assumptions though. The ingredients in Heinz ketchup are pretty banal. The most "chemically" thing I see is high fructose corn syrup.

Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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post #16

Smith says. "I can’t say what they are, but we’ve patented the hell out of it." I'm curious as to whether anyone knows what's in the patents that means the coating is patented but still secret?

Isn't the whole point of a patent so that you do say how you did it and what you used? Otherwise it would be a trade secret?

I think the the case here is that they applied for patents, rather than their patents having been accepted.

Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

#38

Most ketchup these days is made with HFCS and is loaded with sugary non-goodness. My solution is a lot simpler: I cut ketchup out of my diet.

This has far more uses than simply ketchup bottles. Imagine a urinal or toilet coated with this.
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