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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by noman-land »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

OpenCode allows for free inference tho.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by thepasch »

deaux wrote: post #12
pferdone wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They said in the last paragraph[0]: "[...] In the coming days, we will also open-source smaller-scale variants, reaffirming our commitment to accessibility and community-driven innovation. [...]" [0] https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.6#summary--future-work

> we will also open-source smaller-scale variants In other words, like GP said, this Qwen3.6-Plus model is not open-weight unlike the other Qwen models.

Qwen3.5-Plus is the largest variant of the open weight Qwen3.5 model, expanded with a 1M context window and fine-tuned on the Qwen-native harness’ specific tools.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by FuckButtons »

thegeomaster wrote: post #4
srmatto wrote: post #2

The benchmarks provided are for Opus-4.5, not for the latest Opus-4.6 and Qwen is still lagging in a lot of them.

And it seems they've decided to go closed-source for their largest, best models.

3.5-plus was also only available via api. I don’t know what the long term business model for open weights is, I hope there is one, but it seems foolish to assume that companies will be willing to spend millions of dollars of compute on an asset worth zero in perpetuity.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by jjice »

PhilippGille wrote: post #30
cubefox wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

The OpenRouter usage stats indicate the opposite: https://openrouter.ai/rankings?view=month

OpenRouter usage is likely skewed towards LLMs that are more niche and/or self-hostable by solid hardware that's available, but most consumers don't have on hand. I can imagine Anthropic and OpenAI LLMs often get called directly from their APIs instead.

At least from my experience and friends of mine, we use OpenRouter for cases where we want to use smaller LLMs like Qwen, but when I've used ChatGPT and Claude, I use those APIs directly.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by zozbot234 »

Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> not an open weight model like they’ve become known for.

Right, they state that they'll release "smaller" variants openly at some point, with few details as to what that means. Will there be a ~300B variant as with Qwen 3.5? The blog post doesn't say.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by zozbot234 »

jgbuddy wrote: post #3

Worth noting that this model, unlike almost all qwen models, is not open-weight, nor is the parameter count exposed. Also odd that it is compared against opus 4.5 even though 4.6 was released like 2 months ago.

I wouldn't say "almost all" seeing as -MAX and -Omni models were always closed.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by zobzu »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #28
daft_pink wrote: post #13

Not really interested in using models hosted on alibaba cloud. Like Qwen local for it’s privacy, but I trust the privacy of Google/OpenAI/Anthropic more than alibaba.

I had the exact opposite reaction. I stopped using OpenAI/Google a while ago due to privacy and moved to local Qwen, now I'm considering using Alibaba cloud. You know Google and OpenAI are going to share everything with the US government and Western ad networks. But with Alibaba, who cares if the CCP & Chinese ad networks have a comprehensive profile on me? From a pragmatic perspective it's much better for (outcomes…

so if China has the data good, us has the data bad, got it lol.

us actually has laws around this and they arent sharing very much with thr us gov today. china shares 100% as required by law. and neither care much about "how long do i cook eggs for", but they do care about code generation a lot.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by kgeist »

thegeomaster wrote: post #4
srmatto wrote: post #2

The benchmarks provided are for Opus-4.5, not for the latest Opus-4.6 and Qwen is still lagging in a lot of them.

And it seems they've decided to go closed-source for their largest, best models.

They've always had closed-source variants:

- Qwen3.5-Plus

- Qwen3-Max

- Qwen2.5-Max

etc. Nothing really changed so far.

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