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Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by jeffreygoesto »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #30
stavros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember a time when UIs looked consistent, instead of custom-branded, and I still think the "completely reasonable and normal" state is the former, not the latter.

When, Windows 3.1?

3.0 to server 2008 which makes that period 18 years.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by functionmouse »

Shank wrote: post #26

I think the most obscene thing here is that macOS is now littered with permission prompts for camera, background execution, etc, but makes no effort to stop even industry partners from spraying the disk with dozens of files that can’t be removed easily.

That's because this particular sort of cyber security is merely theatrics with the goal of reducing user agency and increasing paranoia and vendor lock-in. The user facing friction is the goal. There will always be scams and viruses; the only practical outcome will be that you have less control over your computer, and Apple/MS/Google have more. See: Sideloading, Wayland, UWPs, iOS JIT, Windows XP and 7 still being used for accessibility

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by didgetmaster »

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions.

Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product.

I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by grishka »

stavros wrote: post #27
g947o wrote: post #24

I empathize with many of the complaints, but some are a bit ridiculous. Using custom fonts in software UI is completely reasonable and normal, even if you don't like it.

I remember a time when UIs looked consistent, instead of custom-branded, and I still think the "completely reasonable and normal" state is the former, not the latter.

Windows apps that skinned everything have existed since at least Windows 95. But they were an exception rather than a rule.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by nerdjon »

functionmouse wrote: post #32
Shank wrote: post #26

I think the most obscene thing here is that macOS is now littered with permission prompts for camera, background execution, etc, but makes no effort to stop even industry partners from spraying the disk with dozens of files that can’t be removed easily.

That's because this particular sort of cyber security is merely theatrics with the goal of reducing user agency and increasing paranoia and vendor lock-in. The user facing friction is the goal. There will always be scams and viruses; the only practical outcome will be that you have less control over your computer, and Apple/MS/Google have more. See: Sideloading, Wayland, UWPs, iOS JIT, Windows XP and 7 still being us…

I strongly disagree.

I often have apps on my Mac or iPhone that ask for permission to see my camera, microphone, contacts, etc etc that I don't want it to see. But I do want other apps to be able to access those things.

Being able to stop those apps from accessing before they do instead of trying to fix it after is incredibly valuable.

Sure some users just accept everything, but that is not an argument against them existing in the first place.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by riffraff »

didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

I remember that! It was awesome!

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by rmunn »

saagarjha wrote: post #6

I feel like the complaints here are…not really Samsung's fault? > So I’ve dug around and found a cleanup script buried six folders deep inside the app bundle. Let’s try to run it: > sh ~/Library/'Application Support'/Samsung/'Samsung Magician'/SamsungMagician.app/Contents/Resources/CleanupMagician_Admin_Mac.sh > It ran. And my kitty exploded. Sweet kitty overflowed. Hundreds - literally hundreds - of lines of chown:…

It's a .sh script, so he could have read it before running it. And when he saw "chown: Operation not permitted", he could have realized that the word Admin in the script was a clue that it needed, well, admin-level privileges, and he should try running it with sudo (after reading it first, naturally). I'm with you, I feel like this is someone who caused himself a lot of self-inflicted pain.

I mean, if he had read the script before deleting it (that's the third time I've mentioned reading the script, do you think I'm dropping enough hints?), he might have found a handy list of ... ALL THE FILES HE WAS LOOKING FOR. You know, all the 18 or so locations that he had to find by hand.

But nope, he didn't ... yes, I'm going to say it for the fourth time ... READ THE SCRIPT.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by rmunn »

bee_rider wrote: post #7
saagarjha wrote: post #6

I feel like the complaints here are…not really Samsung's fault? > So I’ve dug around and found a cleanup script buried six folders deep inside the app bundle. Let’s try to run it: > sh ~/Library/'Application Support'/Samsung/'Samsung Magician'/SamsungMagician.app/Contents/Resources/CleanupMagician_Admin_Mac.sh > It ran. And my kitty exploded. Sweet kitty overflowed. Hundreds - literally hundreds - of lines of chown:…

Yeah, the two steps: * going into some internal directory and running a script based on the name * deleting a bunch of directories Seem like pretty bad ideas. Especially for software provided by a hardware vendor, which is probably a little clunky and inherently touches deep stuff. But not including a removal script seems like bad form. Edit: On the other hand, I don’t actually know for certain that the tool doesn’t…

I mean, there clearly was an uninstall script. It was in the app's Contents/Resources file, and it was called CleanupMagician_Admin_Mac.sh. Which means there was some intended way to trigger running it. Perhaps Samsung's instructions or their menu system weren't clear and they managed to hide it from him. But there most definitely was an uninstall script, and if he had managed to find the intended button in the interface, it would have asked for admin permissions and then done all the cleanup for him. The very cleanup that he complained about having to do by hand.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

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