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Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by rvrb »

em-bee wrote: post #30
rvrb wrote: post #29

Users in a Discord server/local community on tools like Discord naturally expect that their actions within that community are private in so far as they trust everyone in the community (including the operator) to keep it so. By using ATProto, Colibri fundamentally makes all of your communication within any community completely public to everyone on the internet. That’s fine for something like Twitter, where the produc…

any discord server that offers public invites is effectively public.

First, the user knows this when joining a public community.

Second, the moderators can choose to remove someone who has joined the community in bad faith.

Third, it is entirely different than broadcasting every single action taken by every single user in every single community on the entire protocol to anyone with one URL.

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by eximius »

em-bee wrote: post #30
rvrb wrote: post #29

Users in a Discord server/local community on tools like Discord naturally expect that their actions within that community are private in so far as they trust everyone in the community (including the operator) to keep it so. By using ATProto, Colibri fundamentally makes all of your communication within any community completely public to everyone on the internet. That’s fine for something like Twitter, where the produc…

any discord server that offers public invites is effectively public.

Private channels in public servers exist. I'm almost entirely on private servers.

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by consumer451 »

rvrb wrote: post #29

Users in a Discord server/local community on tools like Discord naturally expect that their actions within that community are private in so far as they trust everyone in the community (including the operator) to keep it so. By using ATProto, Colibri fundamentally makes all of your communication within any community completely public to everyone on the internet. That’s fine for something like Twitter, where the produc…

I agree that is borderline negligence, and by far the biggest issue with AT and Bsky. Here is what I believe to be the most recent discussion on that topic:

https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/discussions/3363

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by jFriedensreich »

It's impossible to consider ATproto apps usable until the horrific oauth situation is fixed. It's still not possible to adjust oauth permissions to something restrictive dynamically so every app needs a new account which kind of defeats many of the interop promises, if apps even allow it (colibri requires invite code)

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by louisescher »

avtar wrote: post #24
louisescher wrote: post #12

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Done! Thanks for the suggestion, that's a good idea.

Thanks for the quick fix :) Nice to see more Discord alternatives these days. A few other landing page issues if you feel like addressing them: - Attempting to navigate with the Tab key results in tab order following nav elements once, where focus indicators aren't visible, and then the same elements get iterated over again but this time focus indicators are visible. - Tab order doesn't include screenshots and jumps…

I don't know how I can keep forgetting about keyboard users. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I'm working on it!

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by louisescher »

the_axiom wrote: post #23
louisescher wrote: post #21

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Hi, I've just added an FAQ entry about this: https://colibri.social/faq#where-is-my-data-stored Also, feel free to DM me (@colibri.social) on Bluesky if you want to migrate to the Colibri PDS! We do host one ourselves.

Only my own messages are in my PDS? Or the entire chat? How is the chat displayed if messages are scattered among multiple PDSes? What about the community metadata, where is it stored?

Your own messages are on your PDS. The chat, the category, community and all metadata are stored on the PDS of the person who created the community. The chat is then displayed via our app view, which keeps a live index of all messages and provides some endpoints to collect them!

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by louisescher »

em-bee wrote: post #26
louisescher wrote: post #2

Hi, person behind the project here, thanks for the cross-post!

where can those of us who are not on bluesky get an invite code for an account?

Feel free to E-Mail me via the PDS's account: pds@colibri.social

I'll send you a code!

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by louisescher »

eximius wrote: post #28
louisescher wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://colibri.social/faq#where-is-my-data-stored I've just added a new FAQ entry to explain this in a bit more detail. > But that’s not where you want your chats now is it? E2EE? And how does it keep it all private since apparently the Bluesky bros haven't figured that part out? It honestly depends. Right now, Colibri is meant to function for communities that are public anyway. If you're a streamer, an open source…

This probably needs a bigger callout. A user who isn't familiar with ATProto doesn't even know to ask this question and the design space from its contemporaries (e.g., discord, slack, etc) suggests that chats are nominally private if folks aren't a member of the channel. It's a very cool product but you have to let people know their messages aren't private.

Yep, good feedback. I'll look into it. Will add a new section on the landing page or something.

Edit: Section has been added!

Re: Colibri – chat platform built on the AT Protocol for communities big and small

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Post by louisescher »

iamnothere wrote: post #15
czbond wrote: post #13

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Very interesting project. From a product uptake perspective, I could suggest that since a user is still building trust when they begin use - to only require as few permissions as needed. I'd punt that profile update requirement out personally for another method later. An example might be when a user has used your app for N sessions, or after N months.

They should prompt the user for permission when they use a feature that requires it, explain why, and allow them to cancel if desired. Have seen this pattern used many times elsewhere.

Good idea, will implement that! Maybe a button or something to refresh your permissions when/if you want to edit your profile via Colibri makes sense.
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