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Re: False claims in a widely-cited paper

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When was this golden age of western civilization again? like 10 years ago, are you suggesting we were in this golden age? I mean, the paper this link is discussing is from 2014, so I guess it was more like 15 years ago that the golden age sunsetted?

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Oh that's not new. I remember when I was a teenager there were lawsuits about trying to teach creationism in school. My entire life conservatives have been arguing against climate change.

> Oh that's not new.

It's not that outrage or unfounded opinions were new, or the masses were never fooled or taken advantage of before. It's that the mechanism for social consensus is rapidly shifting.

> I remember when I was a teenager there were lawsuits about trying to teach creationism in school. My entire life conservatives have been arguing against climate change.

And yet the consensus about climate change and in particular support for policies that address it is very strong.

https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/yc...

60-70% is far far higher than most politicians win elections by. They'll call 5low-something% a landslide. They push policies and laws that are far less popular than that, claiming popular mandate.

And yet there are a bunch of people fixated on the idea that it is a disadvantaged (poorer, less educated) minority of average citizens of the country who are orchestrating some evil battle against it. Rather than seeing the obvious that the ruling class is as always pushing divide and conquer techniques, shifting blame, and turning people on one another. A good example of the emotional mechanism of social consensus.

Re: False claims in a widely-cited paper

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When was this golden age of western civilization again? like 10 years ago, are you suggesting we were in this golden age? I mean, the paper this link is discussing is from 2014, so I guess it was more like 15 years ago that the golden age sunsetted?

What do you mean when was it again? I don't understand your questions or how they relate to what I wrote.

Re: False claims in a widely-cited paper

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Peer review is a joke still and exists now to please deans (for hiring and promotion) and enrich publishers. Bad papers get published if it reaffirms the biases of editors, and actually good and original stuff gets rejected. Rather than facilitating the exchange of knowledge, it acts as a barrier, especially when it cannot even be relied on for quality control.

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Re: False claims in a widely-cited paper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was this golden age of western civilization again? like 10 years ago, are you suggesting we were in this golden age? I mean, the paper this link is discussing is from 2014, so I guess it was more like 15 years ago that the golden age sunsetted?

What do you mean when was it again? I don't understand your questions or how they relate to what I wrote.

They are insinuating that the consensus you're talking about never existed as you have described it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean when was it again? I don't understand your questions or how they relate to what I wrote.

They are insinuating that the consensus you're talking about never existed as you have described it.

That would be strange and misguided because I didn't talk about a consensus, I was talking about a mechanism for consensus. And consensus has existed many times on many issues now, and then.

Re: False claims in a widely-cited paper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are insinuating that the consensus you're talking about never existed as you have described it.

That would be strange and misguided because I didn't talk about a consensus, I was talking about a mechanism for consensus. And consensus has existed many times on many issues now, and then.

Right, the mechanism you mentioned, reason, never existed. That's how I read their comment anyways.
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