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LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by _ph_ »

jen20 wrote: post #21
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This isn't one guy's fault. Counterpoint. It's Regen's fault. He's the guy who decided that a high priority of the government was making sure air traffic controllers had no power to fight back against being horrifically overworked (because unions are evil you see)

There have been six presidents who could have addressed this since Reagan. Every one of them shoulders some of the responsibility.

Yes, they should all have taken actions. But also, it is much more difficult to fix something broken once the damage has settled in. I guess none of them was willing to risk the disruption a fix would have caused. And the system seemed to have held up for quite a while. Weren't there some mass firings of ATC personal at the beginning of the Trump presidency?

The bottom line is: don't break things that are difficult or impossible to fix.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by banannaise »

0xy wrote: post #23
ndiddy wrote: post #5

I just hope they don't try to pin this on the controller who was on duty and move on without putting plans in place for some sort of structural change. Controllers are forced to work 60+ hour weeks and overnight shifts, and the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages. If you listen to the ATC audio, he was handling finding a spot for a plane that aborted…

LaGuardia did have a fully staffed ATC, and there's zero evidence this controller was overworked. You seem to be prematurely ascribing cause when nothing has been investigated yet.

The evidence that this controller was overworked is that practically all controllers in the US at present are overworked. As such, that should be treated as the null hypothesis, and it would require substantial evidence to show that he isn't overworked.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by nathanaldensr »

fyrepuffs wrote: post #30
ndiddy wrote: post #5

I just hope they don't try to pin this on the controller who was on duty and move on without putting plans in place for some sort of structural change. Controllers are forced to work 60+ hour weeks and overnight shifts, and the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages. If you listen to the ATC audio, he was handling finding a spot for a plane that aborted…

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The FAA's problems are systemic and structural. They've existed long, long before the 2024 election.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by yieldcrv »

fyrepuffs wrote: post #30
ndiddy wrote: post #5

I just hope they don't try to pin this on the controller who was on duty and move on without putting plans in place for some sort of structural change. Controllers are forced to work 60+ hour weeks and overnight shifts, and the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages. If you listen to the ATC audio, he was handling finding a spot for a plane that aborted…

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Can you elaborate on what change you would like to occur?

I have voted based on getting particular people nominated within a federal agency, requires the President to pick someone who will 100% be from their party, and a Senate committee that will confirm them

people tend to think "I'm voting against my best interests" without knowing that the agency control was my best interest as it will most likely continue shaping an industry far beyond any particular administration

I could see that happening again with your abstract, vague, and ambiguous idea. Just say what you mean specifically, use your words, so I know if it's something that could steer my vote or not

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by Tyrubias »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #33
fyrepuffs wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The FAA's problems are systemic and structural. They've existed long, long before the 2024 election.

Yes, but the problems have been driven by the relentless deregulation of critical industries and infrastructure primarily driven by a specific political bloc. In the next US election, we should vote for candidates that promise systemic change and government overhaul, not further deregulation and handouts to corporations.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by jordanb »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #33
fyrepuffs wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The FAA's problems are systemic and structural. They've existed long, long before the 2024 election.

It certainly didn't help.[1]

[1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-doges-cutbacks-at-the-...

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by PUSH_AX »

banannaise wrote: post #32
0xy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LaGuardia did have a fully staffed ATC, and there's zero evidence this controller was overworked. You seem to be prematurely ascribing cause when nothing has been investigated yet.

The evidence that this controller was overworked is that practically all controllers in the US at present are overworked. As such, that should be treated as the null hypothesis, and it would require substantial evidence to show that he isn't overworked.

I'd pay to watch someone say this in a court of law...

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by irishcoffee »

2c0m wrote: post #11
FL410 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Go look at the atc subreddit, controllers have been begging for help for ages. This isn't one guy's fault.

I actually looked into becoming an ATC controller a year or two ago (I love aviation) and they had an age cap of ~30 to start training. I'm 32, so ruled out.

31. If you had started 2 years ago you should have been fine.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by ceejayoz »

PUSH_AX wrote: post #37
banannaise wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The evidence that this controller was overworked is that practically all controllers in the US at present are overworked. As such, that should be treated as the null hypothesis, and it would require substantial evidence to show that he isn't overworked.

I'd pay to watch someone say this in a court of law...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/reasonable_person

The concept most certainly exists.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by Esophagus4 »

banannaise wrote: post #32
0xy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LaGuardia did have a fully staffed ATC, and there's zero evidence this controller was overworked. You seem to be prematurely ascribing cause when nothing has been investigated yet.

The evidence that this controller was overworked is that practically all controllers in the US at present are overworked. As such, that should be treated as the null hypothesis, and it would require substantial evidence to show that he isn't overworked.

Couldn’t we just… wait to see what FAA says before coming up with our own (entirely speculative) theories?
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