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Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by rdegges »

zthrowaway wrote: post #24
rdegges wrote: post #12

Straight white US citizen male here. This scares the shit out of me. I travel for work all the time, but understanding that we will now have barely trained, and in many cases completely lawless, consequence-free federal officers in direct, high stress, public areas where lots of people are constantly passing through seems like an absolute recipe for tragedy. This will 100% make me reconsider travel and avoid airports…

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Throwaway accounts and more propaganda isn’t proof of anything. I think it’s pretty clear that untrained, unaccountable armed people who have already killed multiple US citizens that they have no jurisdiction over is a real-world worry that people have.

It’s silly to dismiss rational, logic-based worry as “propaganda”.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by selectodude »

0xy wrote: post #21
selectodude wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As they should be. I don’t want to fund DHS and I’m happy my reps are doing their job to keep it shut down. Funding TSA specifically is acceptable and has in fact been voted down in the senate by republicans several times now.

Why do you oppose FEMA funding?

What’s left of FEMA? Anyway their disaster response is not impacted by the lapse in funding. They’re currently on the ground doing something or other in Hawaii.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by biophysboy »

zthrowaway wrote: post #24
rdegges wrote: post #12

Straight white US citizen male here. This scares the shit out of me. I travel for work all the time, but understanding that we will now have barely trained, and in many cases completely lawless, consequence-free federal officers in direct, high stress, public areas where lots of people are constantly passing through seems like an absolute recipe for tragedy. This will 100% make me reconsider travel and avoid airports…

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how many habeas petitions were there in previous admins?

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by zthrowaway »

rdegges wrote: post #31
zthrowaway wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Throwaway accounts and more propaganda isn’t proof of anything. I think it’s pretty clear that untrained, unaccountable armed people who have already killed multiple US citizens that they have no jurisdiction over is a real-world worry that people have. It’s silly to dismiss rational, logic-based worry as “propaganda”.

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Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by mullingitover »

Seems like a big own-goal for the administration to inject an agency which (according to polls[1]) is quite broadly hated into the daily lives of millions.

Politically they're just going from failure (immigration policy broadly considered a failure) to failure (starting a new forever war in the middle east is universally hated) to failure (this).

It's no wonder they're trying to burn the election system to the ground to prevent a fair election from occurring this year. It's the only way they're staying out of jail, especially Tom "cash bribes only" Homan.

[1] https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/the-actions-of-ice-febru...

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by rdegges »

zthrowaway wrote: post #34
rdegges wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwaway accounts and more propaganda isn’t proof of anything. I think it’s pretty clear that untrained, unaccountable armed people who have already killed multiple US citizens that they have no jurisdiction over is a real-world worry that people have. It’s silly to dismiss rational, logic-based worry as “propaganda”.

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> Yes US citizens that are putting themselves in a situation they shouldn’t have been in to begin with while threatening and provoking a violent reaction.

This is not at all true. Plus, it's inconsequential -- ICE agents have no authority over US citizens except in extremely limited circumstances (https://www.perplexity.ai/search/9f4518c4-8a32-474a-bd92-3f1...), and even if they did, being able to arrest someone, file charges, and work their way through the justice system is the answer... Not killing people on the streets.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by ryandrake »

yodon wrote: post #5

For all its flaws, TSA (at least under previous administrations) did a lot of design thinking work around how to streamline flows through airports, minimize travel stress and conflict, and optimize to minimize traveler complaints while continuing to maintain security. Bringing in shock theater optimized staff is a particularly poor fit for a scenario that will impact a disproportionately voting and bipartisan pool of…

If your goal is to intimidate and frighten people into submitting to you, then sending armed, masked "shock theater" thugs in should accomplish that goal.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by gsnedders »

ryandrake wrote: post #3

How do they justify Immigration and Customs enforcement working domestic flights and departures in general? Isn't ICE's scope supposed to be limited to what/who is coming into the country from foreign countries? Of course, that's a rhetorical question. When you're an autocrat, you do not need to justify your actions.

ICE’s scope isn’t who is coming into the country — that’s CBP’s scope. ICE’s scope is supposed to be those committing immigration offences who have already entered the country (either because the CBP failed to catch them, or because they were admitted but never left).

The only difficulty justifying this is ICE’s power to stop and question people, and an airport is no different to a random street from that point of view. Do they have probable cause? What suffices as probable cause?

And once you have probable cause, you run into the problem 8 USC 1304(e) creates: someone who doesn’t have documentation proving their legal immigration status falls into one of two categories, they’re either a citizen, or they’re an immigrant violating that section.

(And this is looking at it from a simple legalistic point of view, ignoring any questions about ICE’s behaviour or powers!)

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by paulddraper »

Buttons840 wrote: post #11
ryandrake wrote: post #3

How do they justify Immigration and Customs enforcement working domestic flights and departures in general? Isn't ICE's scope supposed to be limited to what/who is coming into the country from foreign countries? Of course, that's a rhetorical question. When you're an autocrat, you do not need to justify your actions.

ICE has a lot of funding, more than some branches of the military. This demonstrates they see ICE as their fix all police force, and that they are willing to deploy ICE to do whatever they think needs to be done.

ICE is $11B.

Coast Guard is $14B.

Re: Tom Homan confirms ICE to be at airports starting Monday

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Post by paulddraper »

mullingitover wrote: post #35

Seems like a big own-goal for the administration to inject an agency which (according to polls[1]) is quite broadly hated into the daily lives of millions. Politically they're just going from failure (immigration policy broadly considered a failure) to failure (starting a new forever war in the middle east is universally hated) to failure (this). It's no wonder they're trying to burn the election system to the ground…

How did they get elected?
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