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Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Is it? Haven't seen POTUS on a carrier flight deck with a "Mission Accomplished" banner yet, so we got at least 15 years of war ahead.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t?post=asset%3A0575...

I don't know that I'd trust the words of a President that "starts a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate."

https://youtu.be/5KV_nIgg008

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” But on a more serious non-political note, what is the end game here? It's not hard to see a future with a barren and destroyed landscape of Middle Eastern energy infrastructure, where neither the Gulf states nor Iran can reliably produce and export their energy due to continual risk. The US can never fully defang Iran, unless it…

I know I'm going to get destroyed for this, but: 1) It's the current Iranian state has always been at war. They are at war with "the little Satan" (Israel) and "the Big Satan" (US). I know this sounds like a joke but they're absolutely 100% serious. Serious enough to organize massacres ("terrorism") on unrelated individuals, like the Argentina bombing in the beginning and the Hezbollah massacres in Syria just last ye…

1) Yes, clearly Iran is run by extremist zealots who are horrifyingly committed to their cause. I don't think any reasonable person disagrees with this. To invert my original comment, 'Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania,' right? But that doesn't mean that indiscriminately bombing them is a coherent military strategy. Nor is it leading to the mass civilian uprising that was clearly hoped for.

2) I think the more important difference is that a large amount of gulf state energy infrastructure is being literally blown up. That has not happened before. We also don't know where it will end.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” But on a more serious non-political note, what is the end game here? It's not hard to see a future with a barren and destroyed landscape of Middle Eastern energy infrastructure, where neither the Gulf states nor Iran can reliably produce and export their energy due to continual risk. The US can never fully defang Iran, unless it…

I agree with what you just said except, the leadership structure in Iran is absolutely not “decapitated”. There is a loooooooooooooooooooooong queue to pick up the torch.

To make the analogy much more gruesome, I guess you could say the the ears and nose have been cut off, but the head remains.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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“Oceania was at war with Eurasia; therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia” But on a more serious non-political note, what is the end game here? It's not hard to see a future with a barren and destroyed landscape of Middle Eastern energy infrastructure, where neither the Gulf states nor Iran can reliably produce and export their energy due to continual risk. The US can never fully defang Iran, unless it…

I know I'm going to get destroyed for this, but: 1) It's the current Iranian state has always been at war. They are at war with "the little Satan" (Israel) and "the Big Satan" (US). I know this sounds like a joke but they're absolutely 100% serious. Serious enough to organize massacres ("terrorism") on unrelated individuals, like the Argentina bombing in the beginning and the Hezbollah massacres in Syria just last ye…

My understanding is that its Israel that is in endless war. Their state was birthed in 1948 by war and violence and they have been at war with their neighbors ever since. First it was the Arab states. When they made peace, they then pivoted to Iran and made them their enemy. Before this, Iran was a very pro western country (and we all know the historical lead up to this).

The question is, how do we get Israel out of this forever war state?

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

#37

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China will be just fine mate :) They are smartly just watching US destroy itself from within and outside and chillin'

They have a heavy dependence on imported crude from the middle east, and their alternative sources like pipelines from russia do not have enough to cover them, their domestic resources are max tapped and thier strategic supply cannot last for an extended period.

yea, this is why they are sitting idle and doing nothing right now, makes sense /s

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Why is this flagged?

Probably because it's 'political' news — but I don't think this is political as such. The Pentagon is (or should be) an inherently non-political government agency. @dang curious on your thoughts here though.

It's completely intertwined to current United States politics and, I understand the hypocrisy of this statement as I'm commenting on it, doesn't really bring out meaningful discussions. The same arguments are made by both sides over and over again. I flagged it because, to me, the discussion is better suited somewhere else.

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

#39

I thought it wasn't a war until congress approves it?

Do we now call it a war? I thought it was an excursion?

Legally the administration claims it's not a war. Publicly they all call it a way.

"They have no shame, do they? They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation" - Senator Mon Mothma, Andor

Re: Pentagon asks for $200bn for Iran War

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Well, Isreal has already destroyed several of their neighbors. Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Gaza, now Iran. Infact, Israel was born out of extreme and mass violence (1948). I would be fearful too... maybe its time for peace?

insanity!
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