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A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by sowbug »

Just in case anyone else nerd-sniped themselves this morning... if things fall at the same rate in a vacuum, regardless of their mass, why does it matter if one side of a die is heavier than the rest? I didn't know, and I had to look it up.

It's correct that a biased die will fall without bias. But when it hits the surface and starts tumbling, it tends to rotate around the center of gravity, which will be closer to the heavy side, and the die wants to end up in the orientation with the "lowest gravitational potential energy." If that term isn't part of your lexicon, then think of a Weebil toy.

Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by qskousen »

ekropotin wrote: post #15
fecal_henge wrote: post #9

Is a 155 throws enough to evaluate bias? Seems more times than I'd like to roll some dice, but not enough to gain enough measurement confidence. By what criteria is the person assigning the traffic light ratings? What about face coplanarity? Get this enthusiast in a metrology lab.!

Sounds like a very fun hack project to build - automatic dice evaluator.

Wendell at level 1 techs built one for Steve of gamers nexus! It was interesting. I was going to link the video but couldn't find it, sorry.

Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by Loughla »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #17

The "Warhammer toilet dice" came to my mind. A short video about what happened: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4ekc9Xwynkc

Cheating in Warhammer is both the bravest and dumbest thing to try. The people that play that are usually SUPER into the game and absolutely will call you out if there are any tells at all.

Only MtG has a more rabid fan base, I think.

Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by Gigachad »

sowbug wrote: post #31

Just in case anyone else nerd-sniped themselves this morning... if things fall at the same rate in a vacuum, regardless of their mass, why does it matter if one side of a die is heavier than the rest? I didn't know, and I had to look it up. It's correct that a biased die will fall without bias. But when it hits the surface and starts tumbling, it tends to rotate around the center of gravity, which will be closer to t…

I’m not sure how much of an effect it has, but dice aren’t rolled in a vacuum. There is buoyancy from the air that can roll the dice heavy side down. Which is what the saline water test is testing.

Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by tylervigen »

sowbug wrote: post #31

Just in case anyone else nerd-sniped themselves this morning... if things fall at the same rate in a vacuum, regardless of their mass, why does it matter if one side of a die is heavier than the rest? I didn't know, and I had to look it up. It's correct that a biased die will fall without bias. But when it hits the surface and starts tumbling, it tends to rotate around the center of gravity, which will be closer to t…

Perhaps also worth noting that you generally shake the die before releasing it. Thus even if you drop it straight down through a vacuum, you would have done the center-of-mass-impacted-tumbling in your hands first.

Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by Animats »

the_af wrote: post #6

I found this fascinating, if true: > The reason casino dice have such sharp edges is to get the to stop rolling faster with fewer tumbling. The more a die tumbles the more likely it will present any issues with it. If I understand it correctly, the justification is this: if a die is biased (usually a heavier face), this bias will manifest with a higher chance the longer the die rolls. But if it stops abruptly, for wh…

> The reason casino dice have such sharp edges is to get the to stop rolling faster with fewer tumbling. The more a die tumbles the more likely it will present any issues with it.

No, casino dice are flat-sided cubes because corner curvature could bias the result. Corner curvature is hard to measure. Cubical dice are easy to check for flatness and dimensions. Gambling regulators have specs for dice: 19mm, flat sides, translucent, balanced, with appropriate tolerances. Casinos usually use dice with serial numbers and logos. Casino dice come in a pack of 5 with all dice in the pack bearing the same serial, to detect substitutions.

Here's a manufacturer of casino dice, with their specs.[1]

[1] https://tcsjohnhuxley.com/product/certified-perfects-dice/

Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by shadowgovt »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #38

Seems a bit silly, aren't all pitted dice biased?

Is it silly? Yes.

But still... I am in love with the people who are obsessed with minutae. The world ultimately runs on prime who care. Thise obsessed with patterns are first to notice when they break. Sometimes, that matters. The first ones to understand the US military was disappearing people in the War on Terror to other countries were plane-spotters, because you could disappear people but planes are too big to disappear.

Re: A Review of Dice that came with The White Castle (2025)

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Post by curiousObject »

IshKebab wrote: post #23

Dice aren't assigned to players in this game so even if they were ridiculously biased it wouldn't give any one player and advantage, even if you did roll them more than 3 times in the entire game.

Maybe a player can learn which dice are biased then choose those dice to throw depending on what result would be best for them at that moment? So they gain a slight edge.
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