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The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by cpt_sobel »

Have mostly had the same complaints with MacOS since the beginning. Also something I'd like to see mentioned is the refusal to add a tiny X on the corners of windows in the Mission Control view, and the only workaround I've found is some 8$ app on AppStore.

Still can't believe how much better it felt to log in to KDE (admittedly not my favorite) on my Steam Deck when I had to configure something and got to use the file manager. It just let me... do stuff that MacOS wants to hide from me. Cmd-shift-. to show hidden files, seriously? Cmd-shift-G to go to a path?!

I've been using MacOS exclusively for 5 years now and had forgotten how much I like working on linux - I definitely haven't forgotten how much I dislike Windows though...

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by mathgeek »

randerson wrote: post #12
x0x0 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used macs for pushing 20 years. The external monitor story remains crap. Even on a recent mbp and a $1500 LG 5k ultrawide. Plug it in and the display flickers back and forth. etc. Apple do not care.

I wonder if they nerfed HDMI connectivity to get people to buy the expensive Apple Studio displays. I just bought myself a Studio XDR, and my MBP now wakes up in under 2 seconds, compared to about 30 seconds with my old Dell monitor.

More likely that they spend a lot of time getting Apple devices to work just right, and not nearly as much on the rest. Same result, but less malicious.

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by chocochunks »

dwaite wrote: post #23

This seems like a vehicle for complaining about a pet list of missing macOS features rather than actually being commentary about the Neo. For instance, they are arguing that Apple is pushing users toward a Thunderbolt dock - on a computer without Thunderbolt.

It's a bit of a silly point now since the Neo only supports one external display anyways* but if they do support 2 or more displays it will be a problem. Even if they add TB support when they do, unless the prices of TB docks drop dramatically they'll have the same problem.

* Earlier mobile phone SoC in a laptop devices from Qualcomm still supported two or more external displays!

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by bhouston »

I think this is fundamentally misdiagnosing why Macs haven’t dominated. It is actually not about the monitor support but about:

- government and corporate bulk contracts ?and this is usually a result of software only working on Windows.) - expensive (thus affecting for most home users and also corporate bulk buyers who can not tell the difference.) - lack of high end game support

That is why it doesn’t have more market share.

You are thinking too much about minor technical issues.

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by pjmlp »

tyleo wrote: post #14

I agree with the criticisms of modern macOS. However, let’s not forget their competitor is Windows. So even if they aren’t going great, it’s not like they have stiff competiton. Thats before even getting into hardware where Microsoft is even further behind. It’s unfortunate that it’s so hard to disrupt this space.

Lets also not forget the salaries of most people outside US and Europe.

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by pjmlp »

quietsegfault wrote: post #4

Wow, this is the first time I've read someone who actually says that Windows is ... better ... than MacOS. Wow.

Here is another one, using Windows since version 3.0, and I get to use macOS in some projects.

I will never buy an Apple device for private use.

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by e40 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #3

I remember circa 2017 working for startups and traveling a lot. Most of the people were using macs but I had an Alienware because that way I could have a real GPU and train neural nets locally. Back then a mac worked much better with the docks I could find and monitors that had a dock plugged in. It was close to instant and "just works" on the Mac whereas the Windows computer would take 45 seconds to enumerate the do…

Why does Apple get shade here??

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by kokada »

cguess wrote: post #16
x0x0 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used macs for pushing 20 years. The external monitor story remains crap. Even on a recent mbp and a $1500 LG 5k ultrawide. Plug it in and the display flickers back and forth. etc. Apple do not care.

Compared to when I recently tried a Starbook (so, made for Linux) for a few months, MacOS monitor management is like silk. Despite using the same display every day for work, Ubuntu failed constantly to even get the resolution right every day. Meanwhile my Mac somehow guesses which side of the computer the monitor is on (even on new setups) almost always correctly. That last part I have no idea how they do it.

I think macOS makes some trade-offs to give a supposedely better user experience as long you're part of the 80%. If you're not though, yes it is painful.

For me the macOS Display management experience is absolute dreadful. I had the same issues as the author's and I even had to pay actual money for a third party application (BetterDisplay) to fix some of the issues.

The most infurienting one for me is that I can't disable the internal MacBook display when I am connected to an external monitor without closing the lid. Why you may ask? Because I want to keep using the TouchID. However this is impossible in macOS without an external app.

Re: The Neo cannot scale with macOS behind on the basics

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Post by PaulHoule »

e40 wrote: post #38
PaulHoule wrote: post #3

I remember circa 2017 working for startups and traveling a lot. Most of the people were using macs but I had an Alienware because that way I could have a real GPU and train neural nets locally. Back then a mac worked much better with the docks I could find and monitors that had a dock plugged in. It was close to instant and "just works" on the Mac whereas the Windows computer would take 45 seconds to enumerate the do…

Why does Apple get shade here??

Well... I think Apple's monitors are a clear expression of the dark side of the brand. I mean, fanbois have rewarded them for something that doesn't really deserve reward. I mean, a few people can afford to pay 3x what a monitor is worth for a monitor which only works with one brand of computer. [1]

I think it led to the AVP product failure because "of course people are going to spend $3000 so they can be the lonely guy watching a movie and popping popcorn all alone". Had Apple customers given them some discipline (like "I could buy three monitors for that price") they might have made the AVP compatible with immersive games or tried to pack them in with seats of Dassault 3DExperience or something better than that.

See Clayton Christensen's idea of "disruptive innovation" which blames the customers of firms for being uninterested in new and appropriate technology. Since his work got famous we've seen an epidemic of companies like Microsoft that, from the viewpoint of customers, look like they are high on drugs, because they're afraid their current customers will keep them stuck in the past.

[1] to be fair I have a lot of computers, including weird SBCs, it's a regular occurrence that I need to plug something into a monitor, any monitor, for a few hours.

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