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Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. It's the first production Mac using an A-chip and is a Mac that has had many things cut out for savings. The question is did Apple feature cut required functionality.

The first Apple Silicon developer boxes were Mac Minis with A series chips so I wouldn’t have expected any issues.

That's why I chose to specifically mention production. The developer boxes were to get macOS native stuff going but virtualization was not a priority.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

#33
post #13

Funnily it probably runs Windows better than the typical corporate spyware burdened x86 laptop.

Wouldn't corporate spyware equally burden the NEO? Especially more give the 8GB of RAM vs 16+ on X64 laptops? Chrome, Teams, IDEs, websites etc are equally bloated on both platforms.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

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post #8

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There was quite a bit of discussion about that when the M1 first came out, but none of it really seemed to have happened six years later. The target audience isn't in danger of wearing it out and the ones that will push the limits will grow tired of it and sell it in a year or two or move on to the Neo 2, which might have 12gb of ram due to the expected chip. I still think it's a great machine, but I think all these…

>There was quite a bit of discussion about that when the M1 first came out, but none of it really seemed to have happened six years later. 1. How do you know nothing happened? Define nothing in this case. Do Mac users check and report their SSD wear anywhere? 2. Didn't the OG 256gb M1 have 2 128MB NAND chips instead of one 256 meaning better wear resistance?

If swapping was causing SSDs to fail on M1 Macs, we would never see the end of the hysterical articles about "NANDgate". Since we haven't seen any in all these years, it's seems pretty certain it's not happening.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

#35
post #13

Funnily it probably runs Windows better than the typical corporate spyware burdened x86 laptop.

Geekbench 6 was around ~2600 single-core with the VM overhead for me. That's still punching above single-core power in its class for Windows machines and it makes me giggle.

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17011372

This was the latest UTM in the App Store, so native Hypervisor.Framework access for arm64 Windows acceleration.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

#36
post #10

Was that in doubt?

Virtualization requires specific hardware support to be performant. There are ways to do complete software emulation of a virtual machine but it would be so slow that nobody would want to use it.

This is them confirming that the CPU has enough virtualization support that they can virtualize rather than emulate the guest OS

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

#37

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Isn’t basically m1 air equivalent in specs? I’ve got that one and I’m yet to feel limited.

Always excited to hear about fellow M1 users. I’m not limited in the slightest. 5-6 years strong now?

I’ve been an M1 Air fan since I got mine in 2020 but recently things have become unusable. Playing 4K videos often drops frames, even at 30fps. And I can’t reliably run Notion’s transcription AI on Zoom calls, even though it’s not running locally. I’m going to do an OS reinstall soon to see if that helps, otherwise it will be time to upgrade…

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

#38
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. It's the first production Mac using an A-chip and is a Mac that has had many things cut out for savings. The question is did Apple feature cut required functionality.

The first Apple Silicon developer boxes were Mac Minis with A series chips so I wouldn’t have expected any issues.

The A12Z in the developer transition kit didn't support hardware virtualization.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There was quite a bit of discussion about that when the M1 first came out, but none of it really seemed to have happened six years later. 1. How do you know nothing happened? Define nothing in this case. Do Mac users check and report their SSD wear anywhere? 2. Didn't the OG 256gb M1 have 2 128MB NAND chips instead of one 256 meaning better wear resistance?

If swapping was causing SSDs to fail on M1 Macs, we would never see the end of the hysterical articles about "NANDgate". Since we haven't seen any in all these years, it's seems pretty certain it's not happening.

Hysteria would be if all had an issue like the keyboard gate, but this isn't an issue, it's a design limitation for certain uses cases which not everyone has. Some users will wear out faster than others due to usage patterns. If their M1 dies after 6 years of heavy usage, do you think they'll investigate if it was the NAND that died and go online to tell the news, or will they chuck it and buy new one?

NAND is still the same wearable part that regular X64 laptops have, Apple doesn't use some magic industrial grade parts but same dies that Samsung, Micron and SK ship to X64 OEMS, and those are replaceable for a reason, because they eventually fail.

Re: Parallels confirms MacBook Neo can run Windows in a virtual machine

#40
post #19

Can it run Linux?

In a VM, definitely. Just like other Macs.

If the A18 Pro has the same ISA as the M-series chips then this may not be so straightforward. I am still hanging on to my 2020 Intel MBP for dear life because it is the only Apple device I own that allows me to run Ubuntu and Windows 11 on a VirtualBox VM.
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