IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users • Hacker News Board

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by w1ntermute » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 1:58 AM UTC

jimwalsh wrote: post #25

w1ntermute wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FF is slower than Chrome (at least the desktop versions). This is a misconception held by people that haven't used Firefox as of late. I actually frequently encounter crashes in Chrome, whereas I do not with Firefox.

Not it's actually still very slow. Theres a JS demo ever 3 days on HN that runs terribly in FF. Plenty of other 'pushing the envelope' demos do the same thing to FF. To their credit the FF team is usually here, or finds them, and bugs are quickly reported.

The funny thing is, most users don't care about how their browser performs in "'pushing the envelope' demos" - they care about how it performs when they're browsing the web.

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by rorrr » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:05 AM UTC

ladzoppelin wrote: post #17

rorrr wrote: post #15

I see tons of ads for IE. Never for FF. Microsoft's marketing is working. FF is slower than Chrome (at least the desktop versions). FF still doesn't have separate processes for tabs, so when one fails, the whole browser crashes.

I find Aurora faster then Chrome and it displays fonts/pages better. I also think the memory use is much better then Chrome. Maybe its the Nvidia acceleration?

Aurora is what, a pre-beta release? And you're comparing it to the production Chrome?

And who cares about memory use on the desktop? I got 8GB, and my browser never even gets close to maxing that out. 16GB can be bought for around $45.

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by rorrr » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:07 AM UTC

w1ntermute wrote: post #24

rorrr wrote: post #15

I see tons of ads for IE. Never for FF. Microsoft's marketing is working. FF is slower than Chrome (at least the desktop versions). FF still doesn't have separate processes for tabs, so when one fails, the whole browser crashes.

> FF is slower than Chrome (at least the desktop versions). This is a misconception held by people that haven't used Firefox as of late. I actually frequently encounter crashes in Chrome, whereas I do not with Firefox.

It's not a misconception. Here's a website owned by Mozilla, and even they admit it:

http://arewefastyet.com/

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by rorrr » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:08 AM UTC

bcoates wrote: post #21

rorrr wrote: post #15

I see tons of ads for IE. Never for FF. Microsoft's marketing is working. FF is slower than Chrome (at least the desktop versions). FF still doesn't have separate processes for tabs, so when one fails, the whole browser crashes.

I very rarely experience chrome crashes, but when it happens, it's always the entire browser. I'd be a lot more worried that crashes almost certainly imply security holes than how much it interrupts my browsing session.

I get tab crashes, they look like this:

http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Chrome-tab-cr...

I don't remember the last time the whole browser crashed, and I do web development.

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by FrojoS » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:10 AM UTC

"[..] IE6 fell 0.37 percentage points (losing everything it somehow managed to gain the previous month)[..]"

And whats their error margin? Sounds like bad journalism to me.

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by shardling » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:27 AM UTC

rorrr wrote: post #33

w1ntermute wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FF is slower than Chrome (at least the desktop versions). This is a misconception held by people that haven't used Firefox as of late. I actually frequently encounter crashes in Chrome, whereas I do not with Firefox.

It's not a misconception. Here's a website owned by Mozilla, and even they admit it: http://arewefastyet.com/

No, that shows javscript benchmarks, not the more ambiguous notion of "browser speed".

Anyway, Chrome and Firefox are tied in Kraken, which is the benchmark Mozilla created to simulate real world loads. (And thus, presumably, the benchmark they care most about when optimizing.)

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by shardling » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:31 AM UTC

bravoyankee wrote: post #11

darklajid wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I .. believe you, I guess. You obviously tried the current versions and they weren't for you. Still, I'm baffled. I removed Chrome from my Android devices (what for?) and only have it on my desktop machines for tests. I start it once every fortnight. Firefox, with its sync feature, keeps my browsing experience in order. I've to admit that I'm using the Beta 'channel' on both Windows and Android. The readability mode…

I'm lamenting the poor performance of the browser. I have nothing but massive respect for the developers. But I marvel at the difference and see that even with all these updates, the gap between Chrome and Firefox gets wider and wider.

That's not a universal perception. Perhaps there is something borked with your firefox install.

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by shardling » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:33 AM UTC

jamesbrennan wrote: post #29

Does anyone have some insight into why IE6 has a greater marketshare than IE7?

Because more intranet apps were written using IE6 specific technology, and that's basically the main reason anyone would still be using either.

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by mitchty » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:40 AM UTC

rorrr wrote: post #32

ladzoppelin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find Aurora faster then Chrome and it displays fonts/pages better. I also think the memory use is much better then Chrome. Maybe its the Nvidia acceleration?

Aurora is what, a pre-beta release? And you're comparing it to the production Chrome? And who cares about memory use on the desktop? I got 8GB, and my browser never even gets close to maxing that out. 16GB can be bought for around $45.

I care about memory use, i've been able to get Chrome up to >8g of memory used with no problems.

Firefox rarely gets over 2g with similar use.

Re: IE9 passes 20% market share, Firefox falls below 20%, Chrome loses users

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Post by sek » Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 2:42 AM UTC

jamesbrennan wrote: post #29

Does anyone have some insight into why IE6 has a greater marketshare than IE7?

China, it's almost non existent anywhere else. Even the "enterprise" upgraded to IEX but they probably skip IE7 when they do that. For intranet stuff maybe still some IE6, but not much left i guess.