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Re: Kona EV Hacking

#31

Post by skrebbel »

sgt wrote: post #20
mschild wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the original version released in 2013, range was a bit of a concern. Later models, 120ah full electric version, the range is about 250km. In comparison to newer cars, not a lot, but considering you can buy newish used ones for under 15k, its not a bad deal if it fits your needs.

Funny how I'm downvoted for even mentioning an i3. I've also heard several comments insinuating that I must be gay for driving such a car. Are we still there in 2026?

don't read too much into a downvote here or there. as i read this the downvotes are already gone again. some people are just idiots. also some people just misclick.

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#32

Post by Upvoter33 »

miduil wrote: post #18

> [...] due to some dipshit blonde not paying attention [...] Wow, instantly stopped reading after this. I can't comprehend how someone would even remotely have the courage writing such in a public posting.

me too. It's like it was written in 1980.

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#33

Post by bluGill »

dyauspitr wrote: post #24
codeulike wrote: post #8

At some point later I got around to playing with DC fast charging ... That market still has a long way to go as far as sorting out its business model, as billing based on time vs energy is completely unfair ... An excuse that's offered less and less often is that pricing by kilowatt-hours delivered is prohibited in some states by utility regulatory rules. I didn't know they were billing for DC charging in the US base…

I’ve charged in 30 states, it’s kwh every single time.

Mowt states have changed the laws in the past 10 years. When nobody (other that lead acid convestions done at home) had an ev it did't matter that the law didn't allow for charging by kwh as nobody other than a utility wanted to do that anyway. When evs changed to mainstream laws changed. There are still some free public chargers near me from before the law change (at 6kw max charge rate they not often used and so don't cost them much to keep it.

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#34

Post by stavros »

miduil wrote: post #18

> [...] due to some dipshit blonde not paying attention [...] Wow, instantly stopped reading after this. I can't comprehend how someone would even remotely have the courage writing such in a public posting.

Yeah, scrolled down to that and closed the tab, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#35

Post by GCUMstlyHarmls »

close04 wrote: post #17
bojan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In Europe its just kwh. In the EU, yes. When you go to those dark corners of Europe that never achieved the membership, all bets are off. In Montenegro and Serbia they charge per minute because the only entity allowed to sell kwh's is the national electricity company (in Serbia it's owned by Russia, so it is heavily legally protected).

No need to go further than dead center EU to see chargers where the cost has a time component, and an energy component, and even a (small) one time fee. Sometimes the charger is inside a paid parking, there that comes on top. These aren't shady operators either either, just the way they saw fit to prevent abuse and make more money. Some have reasonable limits to prevent abuse [0], others just charge the customer as m…

Is abuse here just parking in the charger and leaving for a few hours, assumingly skipping any parking fee if you're only paying for kWh?

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#36

Post by izacus »

codeulike wrote: post #8

At some point later I got around to playing with DC fast charging ... That market still has a long way to go as far as sorting out its business model, as billing based on time vs energy is completely unfair ... An excuse that's offered less and less often is that pricing by kilowatt-hours delivered is prohibited in some states by utility regulatory rules. I didn't know they were billing for DC charging in the US base…

Nah, there's plenty of places that will require you pay both kWh and time spent on the charger.

And the app situation is as dire as the author says too.

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#37

Post by idiotsecant »

sgt wrote: post #20
mschild wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the original version released in 2013, range was a bit of a concern. Later models, 120ah full electric version, the range is about 250km. In comparison to newer cars, not a lot, but considering you can buy newish used ones for under 15k, its not a bad deal if it fits your needs.

Funny how I'm downvoted for even mentioning an i3. I've also heard several comments insinuating that I must be gay for driving such a car. Are we still there in 2026?

Complaining about downvotes is boring, don't do it

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#38

Post by Jeremy1026 »

codeulike wrote: post #8

At some point later I got around to playing with DC fast charging ... That market still has a long way to go as far as sorting out its business model, as billing based on time vs energy is completely unfair ... An excuse that's offered less and less often is that pricing by kilowatt-hours delivered is prohibited in some states by utility regulatory rules. I didn't know they were billing for DC charging in the US base…

It's rare to be billed on time, its usually billed by energy delivered.

Re: Kona EV Hacking

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Post by Jeremy1026 »

rcxdude wrote: post #12
codeulike wrote: post #8

At some point later I got around to playing with DC fast charging ... That market still has a long way to go as far as sorting out its business model, as billing based on time vs energy is completely unfair ... An excuse that's offered less and less often is that pricing by kilowatt-hours delivered is prohibited in some states by utility regulatory rules. I didn't know they were billing for DC charging in the US base…

Arguably it should be both. Sitting and occupying a DC fast charging booth, especially once you're not charging at the full rate, represents an opportunity cost since someone else could be using it.

Idle rates are different than just straight charged by time.

Re: Kona EV Hacking

#40

Post by lencastre »

codeulike wrote: post #8

At some point later I got around to playing with DC fast charging ... That market still has a long way to go as far as sorting out its business model, as billing based on time vs energy is completely unfair ... An excuse that's offered less and less often is that pricing by kilowatt-hours delivered is prohibited in some states by utility regulatory rules. I didn't know they were billing for DC charging in the US base…

nope, some places in Belgium and Austria are per minute. I guessimate that the charge speed is frickin’ fast, no way to be sure and I would rather see kW number go up in the dasboard
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