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> I was fired for following HR’s own verbal instructions. This is why, even when there are verbal instructions, politely request that they give you something in writing; you know, for your reference, just in case you forget ;-)
Or send your own email recapping the conversation.
The fact this person could not get an attorney to represent them says a lot.
Not really. Most all companies have Binding Arbitration built into employment contracts. What lawyer wants to have their pay limited thusly? You can hire your own lawyer for the proceedings but no jackpot payouts in arbitration.
This shift happened 2022 ish.
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> His first mistake was complaining to HR about another employee griefing him. HR is always going to consider the initial complainer as "the problem." I can say this definitely isn't always true. In the companies I've worked at HR has always been extremely reasonable and cooperative with harassment claims. But corporate culture probably matters here, and I've never worked at a place like Uber. That said, I would be c…
The phrasing "HR isn't there to protect you, it's there to protect the company" applies more here. My experience is also that HR is very reasonable and cooperative with harassment claims. But the thing is that when you have a legit harassment claim, the law is there to protect you . You could make things very expensive for the company in court, and so protecting the company does mean protecting you and treating you r…
I agree (although had interpreted the statement originally differently). Unfortunately, the part about "XYZ isn't there to protect you" applies to so much in life. Even police don't have a responsibility to you protect you (but just the public as a whole). The lesson from stuff like this is often to make sure your best interest are aligned with the most powerful and active stakeholder in the "room".
Off topic. Did anybody read the linked fortune article about Uber ceo expecting people to work on weekends. It has that paid PR post and satirical piece vibes at the same time. With words like "unparalleled work ethic" working on weekends, wisdom and the part about checking emails right after waking up at 5 in the morning, I was expecting it to wrap up with a hint of obvious sarcasm but sadly it never came.
The fact this person could not get an attorney to represent them says a lot.
This article is vague enough to be useless. No actual evidence of the convo from the author’s side. Seek an unemployment lawyer
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Not really. Most all companies have Binding Arbitration built into employment contracts. What lawyer wants to have their pay limited thusly? You can hire your own lawyer for the proceedings but no jackpot payouts in arbitration.
Arbitration agreements have largely backed off in the last couple of years, because the main benefit (avoiding class action lawsuits) has been eroded. Activists discovered that you can cause serious economic damage to company simply by mass-filing arbitration claims, and some case law poked holes in just how "binding" the agreements were (and if someone can appeal their arbitration case, it defeats the whole point).…
Almost every tech company still uses them.
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People have this mistaken belief than HR is for them when they are there 100% for the employer. The only people who are there for you in these situations is the union (if you have one).
this cliche is so often repeated that i'm now questioning whether this is even true. unions are counterproductive many times - they serve the interests (only temporarily) for the incumbents while failing to or ignoring the larger consequences like the whole company or industry declining. i wonder if the HR cliche is similar.
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People have this mistaken belief than HR is for them when they are there 100% for the employer. The only people who are there for you in these situations is the union (if you have one).
this cliche is so often repeated that i'm now questioning whether this is even true. unions are counterproductive many times - they serve the interests (only temporarily) for the incumbents while failing to or ignoring the larger consequences like the whole company or industry declining. i wonder if the HR cliche is similar.
But if your needs as an employee go against what is best for the company by costing money, productivity, or creating risk for bad publicity, or they go against high level managers or executives who hold outsized sway with HR, then it will be difficult for you to get help from them.