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New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by hrimfaxi »

abound wrote: post #4
bayarearefugee wrote: post #3

Humanity is almost definitely going to wipe itself out in the not too distant future through an avoidable (if not for the selfish greed of many of us) climate change resource war Great Filter event. This used to really bother me, but lately I'm thinking it is probably for the best.

One of my favorite questions to ask people is something like: "Imagine a button appears in front of you. Pressing it will snap all human beings painlessly out of existence. Do you push the button?" Some people get caught in minutiae about downstream effects, I tell them it can go however they want (house pets are free or gone too, planes land harmlessly, etc) In my circles, I've found it's about 50/50 button pushers…

Are you in silicon valley by any chance?

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by jagged-chisel »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #28

Does anyone else ever find it odd that in posts like this the person posts a sad picture of a pig instead of a screenshot of the page of the bill they're talking about? I think "a provision that would condemn millions of pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates" is in fact horrific, however, outrage is the currency on places like X. Posting a page number sounds specific, but then why not post the page (or quote it)? Pa…

Whoa there - can’t shape public sentiment if you let people go read it for themselves.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by varispeed »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #15
varispeed wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a sandbox. Unless we decide to work together to escape it, then there is no point in humanity to exist. All we essentially do is produce rubbish, poo and suffering.

If you can’t find anything worthwhile here what makes you think you’ll find it out there?

Not saying it is not worthwhile. As nature equipped us with feelings to make existence more pleasant. Enjoy the brief blip of consciousness.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by globular-toast »

Havoc wrote: post #22

The sooner we get to true lab grown meat the better Meat is nice but would be better if we can skip the whole suffering thing

It's not even nice. People ate meat because fresh fruit and vegetables weren't available all year round or even at all. All good food has plants to make it taste nice. You can easily just skip the meat and go straight for the flavour.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by jagged-chisel »

HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #24
varispeed wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a sandbox. Unless we decide to work together to escape it, then there is no point in humanity to exist. All we essentially do is produce rubbish, poo and suffering.

The suffering is mainly because of overcrowding

Well, social stratification isn’t helping anything.

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by imjonse »

nekusar wrote: post #5

Farming practices are already absolutely terrible. And for reasons of arbitrary weight increase, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ractopamine is used in the USA. Doesnt degrade when cooked, so humans also get fat from it amongst other bad side effects. Banned in most countries, but not the USA. This is also why pork export is banned in most countries. I know 1 person who is "allergic to pork". But European pork is fine.…

> To me, this is yet another reason why capitalism initially was great at making an economy,

Initially it wasn't that great either if you were a slave or worked 14 hours a day .

Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by cindyllm »

SoftTalker wrote: post #21
stouset wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that continuing to enjoy your existence is inflicting a massive toll of suffering around the world, to both others humans as well as non-humans. I’m not saying I’d be one to push the button, but I think it’s worth trying to understand the mindset of someone who would. It’s very arguable that pushing it would be the ethical thing to do.

What if the suffering is the point?

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Re: New farm bill would condemn pigs to a lifetime in gestation crates

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Post by smarf »

HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #24
varispeed wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a sandbox. Unless we decide to work together to escape it, then there is no point in humanity to exist. All we essentially do is produce rubbish, poo and suffering.

The suffering is mainly because of overcrowding

the suffering is mainly because of extreme wealth hoarding and profoundly selfish use of resources; overcrowding could be easily solved for all people if we as a species decided it was important
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