It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.
Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus
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#32> OpenAI, meanwhile, has been attempting to quell the backlash against its deal with the U.S. government, putting out a blog post claiming that “our tools will not be used to conduct domestic surveillance of U.S. persons,” As a non-US person, that sounds far more concerning than no statement at all. Because if their tools weren't used for surveillance against Europeans they would have said so as a marketing message..…
With n-eyes agreements it’s quite meaningless anyway. Whatever passport you have, somebody spies on you and sells the information to your government.
Yep. “You spy on mine, and I’ll spy on yours, and then we’ll share info.”
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a baffling comment. Aren’t you aware of why this exodus is happening? (It’s not related to “value for the money”!) What are your feelings on that part?
It is entirely okay to weigh the Department of War thing against other criteria when choosing a service.
Agreed, but the comment should mention it. Nobody is talking about value for money right now.
I didn't mean to advocate for Anthropic, apologies.
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#34It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.
Can you expand on that. I've been wanting to try Claude for a while, but their payment processing wouldn't take any of my credit cards (they work everywhere else, so it's not the cards). I've heard I can work around this by installing their mobile app or something, but it was extra hurdles, so I didn't try very hard.
And I've been absolutely amazed with Codex. I started using that with version ChatGPT 5.3-Codex, and it was so much better than online ChatGPT 5.2, even sticking to single page apps which both can do. I don't have any way to measure the "smarts" for of the new 5.4, but it seems similar.
Anyways, I'll try to get Claude running if it's better in some significant way. I'm happy enough the the Codex GUI on MacOS, but that's just one of several things that could be different between them.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
What a baffling comment. Aren’t you aware of why this exodus is happening? (It’s not related to “value for the money”!) What are your feelings on that part?
If anyone thinks Anthropic or OpenAI are the "good guys," they've already lost the plot. If you look at additional reporting on the topic, not just the Anthropic PR spin, the disagreements were much more nuanced than it was portrayed by Anthropic. They aren't exactly a reliable narrator on the topic either. In fact it actually just seems like Amodei fumbled the deal and crashed out a bit. He's already walked back his…
Then the people mad about "mass surveillance" recommend Gemini or whatever.
They're just keeping up with the outrage news cycles.
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#36I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.
You're totally allowed to use Claude for OpenClaw and you're totally able to use Claude Code with non-Anthropic models. You must be referring to the fact that you have to use an API key and cannot use the auth intended for Claude-only products, which AFAIK is the same at every AI company (with Google destroying whole Google accounts for offenders most recently).
OpenAI and Github Copilot do explicitly allow this, so do many of the new/Chinese providers such as Synthetic, Z.ai, etc.
Anthropic is the outlier here, obviously they can limit their subscriptions as they want but it's a major disadvantage compared to their competitors.
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#37> OpenAI, meanwhile, has been attempting to quell the backlash against its deal with the U.S. government, putting out a blog post claiming that “our tools will not be used to conduct domestic surveillance of U.S. persons,” As a non-US person, that sounds far more concerning than no statement at all. Because if their tools weren't used for surveillance against Europeans they would have said so as a marketing message..…
> "We have these two red lines... Not allowing Anthropic's AI to perform mass surveillance of Americans, and prohibiting its AI from powering fully-autonomous weapons..."
Anthropic literally said the same, but seem to be getting positive PR.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ai-executive-dario-amodei-on-th...
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#38It's like reddit when Digg v4 happened
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#39It helps a lot that Claude is just better. Codex isn't BAD, and in some narrow technical ways might even be more capable, but I find Claude to be hands-down the best collaborator of all the AI models and it has never been close.
yeah, OpenAI has its strengths but code generation is not one of them.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is entirely okay to weigh the Department of War thing against other criteria when choosing a service.
Agreed, but the comment should mention it. Nobody is talking about value for money right now. I didn't mean to advocate for Anthropic, apologies.
Whatever Anthropic might or might not do with the department of war interests me in proportion to how much I can influence this. Rounded, speaking as an European citizen, that appears to be exactly 0 to me.