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Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

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Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

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Why is oracle invested in ai at all? It seems entirely unrelated to the value they offer.

Indeed. And not only that, all this capex has wrecked their balance sheet. They were in the software licensing printing money business, now they are in the burn huge amounts of money building data centers hoping someone will use them business. Even if people did use them, the margins aren't that great anyway - especially compared to their former software business.

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

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post #12

And, with this, the economic contagion begins. Before this step, we had non-existent money loaned to build datacenters powered by non-existent power infrastructure to support future load that will never exist, with guaranteed revenue from companies that do not, and will never be able to pay. Previously, this was propped up with circular revenue and investment. Now it's going to be propped up by dismantling the US tec…

No. At a national security level, the department of defense has already war-gamed mass unemployment. The defense sector would already have projected when the unemployment would happen and at what rate, I’m saying this to imply they had AI and judged its trajectory rather quickly awhile ago. Data centers WILL happen, mass unemployment WILL happen, simply because, smarter people made it, assessed it, cannot deny it, an…

https://www.citadelsecurities.com/news-and-insights/2026-glo...

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

#33
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This article is over a month old. Why is it being shared now? Its also posted on reddit where it has some lift.

You don't have to share only new things, often people share things that are many years old too and that's also fine.

Rarely are they speculative news events.

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

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post #12

And, with this, the economic contagion begins. Before this step, we had non-existent money loaned to build datacenters powered by non-existent power infrastructure to support future load that will never exist, with guaranteed revenue from companies that do not, and will never be able to pay. Previously, this was propped up with circular revenue and investment. Now it's going to be propped up by dismantling the US tec…

We will look back on this AI bubble 10 years later and see that alongside with the private credit market, the funding of data centers via dubious methods (circular financing, billions of dollars of loans / debt) on top of mass layoffs for the sake of so-called "AGI" to cover up the massive losses will cause a market crash beyond the tech industry.

It just takes a single surprise to shock the market into chaos. My timeline is before 2030.

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

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post #34
post #12

And, with this, the economic contagion begins. Before this step, we had non-existent money loaned to build datacenters powered by non-existent power infrastructure to support future load that will never exist, with guaranteed revenue from companies that do not, and will never be able to pay. Previously, this was propped up with circular revenue and investment. Now it's going to be propped up by dismantling the US tec…

We will look back on this AI bubble 10 years later and see that alongside with the private credit market, the funding of data centers via dubious methods (circular financing, billions of dollars of loans / debt) on top of mass layoffs for the sake of so-called "AGI" to cover up the massive losses will cause a market crash beyond the tech industry. It just takes a single surprise to shock the market into chaos. My tim…

that is not much of a timeline and not much of a prediction. first you need to define what “crash” means in real terms. over the course of 4 years there will be market correction (especially after a bull run like we are on) so just saying “ai bubble, crash bla bla” is too lazy (although there are probably 10k+ such “predictions” on HN in the last say a year)

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

#37

Why is oracle invested in ai at all? It seems entirely unrelated to the value they offer.

> Why is oracle invested in ai at all

Oracle is using AI as a way to justify their pivot into becoming a Tier 1 Hyperscaler - Oracle Cloud now represents 50% of Oracle's overall revenue.

Becoming a hyperscaler is expensive (compute is pricey and a massive fixed cost), and by building an AI Infra story, Oracle can make a valid case as to why I should give Oracle money to expand their DC capacity.

Additionally, OCI has been landing marquee logos like a major cybersecurity company who's name starts with C and a global rideshare platform, and is taking advantage of enterprise customers who are price sensitive or investing in a secondary cloud provider to reduce vendor dependency.

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - if AGI is made, nearly immediately every knowledge worker’s labor value goes to zero over night. This may or may not include AI researchers.

That seems like a wrong economic theory to me. The economy is based on differential of value. I can make furniture, so it's worth less to me than it is to you. Therefore we can trade. That's what supply/demand is. If AGI somehow exists, then the value of intelligence drops to zero for both of us, there's nothing to trade. AGI would not make knowledge work valueless, it would move all the knowledge work value to the A…

> AGI would not make knowledge work valueless, it would move all the knowledge work value to the AGI companies.

Yep! That's the point :)

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

#39
post #20

Why is oracle invested in ai at all? It seems entirely unrelated to the value they offer.

They are a software vendor, and the theory goes all the software vendors will go away, because AI will just build your business software on the fly. So they are trying to "become AI"! Also Oracle is owned by Larry Ellison and hes in a competition with the other tech bros.

Oracle is also OCI, oracle cloud initiative. My understanding/impression is that oracle is betting the company on its success.

Re: Oracle may slash up to 30k jobs to fund AI data-centers as US banks retreat

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - if AGI is made, nearly immediately every knowledge worker’s labor value goes to zero over night. This may or may not include AI researchers.

That seems like a wrong economic theory to me. The economy is based on differential of value. I can make furniture, so it's worth less to me than it is to you. Therefore we can trade. That's what supply/demand is. If AGI somehow exists, then the value of intelligence drops to zero for both of us, there's nothing to trade. AGI would not make knowledge work valueless, it would move all the knowledge work value to the A…

There still plenty to trade - you just don’t have any of it.

Those $300 billion dollar circular deals will become much more common.

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