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Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by jsheard »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result. For them to edit MT up to the standard of manual translation t…

> consensus among professional translators [citation needed]

https://blog.gts-translation.com/2025/04/07/the-state-of-mac...

> 12.08% [of translators] say MTPE produces high-quality output.

> A significant portion (around 50%) of respondents do not offer discounts for MTPE work, arguing that post-editing can take as much time as traditional translation.

> Among those who do offer discounts, the most common range is between 10-30%.

Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by vessenes »

tom___n wrote: post #3

This is the first time Dreamcast owners can play it in a more understandable way (and I don't understand why some users are boycotting the translation due to the AI used in the translation work, but that's beside the point). Playing SGGG, we can all see how brave Sega was at the time. I'm still shocked that Sony had such good marketing around the PS2 launch, so users could trust them to wait - and NOT buy - a Dreamca…

As someone who owned a dreamcast and stayed in line all night for a PS2, I can say that the DVD player functionality was HUGE. It was many, many people's first DVD player, and priced so that the game console was nearly 'free' on top of it.

The Dreamcast still got played post-PS2 purchase, but not much - fighting games, mostly. PS2's catalog was very, very strong and the combo just dominated.

Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by laksjhdlka »

jsheard wrote: post #23
ndiddy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Github repo ( https://github.com/ExxistanceDC/Segagaga-English-Translation ), the translation went through a process called MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. > What I call the “playtesting translation” — a base trans…

> MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result. For them to edit MT up to the standard of manual translation t…

> And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result.

I have no particular interest in translation, but clearly when the person saying X is bad depends financially on you not buying X, you must take their word with a grain of salt.

Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by [deleted] »

laksjhdlka wrote: post #33
jsheard wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result. For them to edit MT up to the standard of manual translation t…

> And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result. I have no particular interest in translation, but clearly when the person saying X is bad depends financially on you not buying X , you must take their word with a grain of salt.

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Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by threetonesun »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #26

It's a shame to see all the pearl-clutching about the use of AI. I've been playing ROMs and fantrans since the early aughts, and we were content back then when some of our desired games just got menu translations . I've watched a ton of projects spring up around the games people wanted to play, only to stall or die out because the majority of the project people were programmers, and the one translator was a college s…

Also AI for translation is one of the best and oldest uses of AI, to the point where if this translation didn't exist, you could probably get by simply pointing your phone at the text and getting real time translations. An open forum for communicating back all the places people go "huh, that doesn't seem right" and fixing it is even better.

Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by [deleted] »

laksjhdlka wrote: post #33
jsheard wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result. For them to edit MT up to the standard of manual translation t…

> And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result. I have no particular interest in translation, but clearly when the person saying X is bad depends financially on you not buying X , you must take their word with a grain of salt.

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Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by nekooooo »

flykespice wrote: post #17
ndiddy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and I don't understand why some users are boycotting the translation due to the AI used in the translation work, but that's beside the point Segagaga has a ton of obscure, referential, meta humor that isn't easily translated to English. The "cleaned up machine translation" approach means that a lot of this is lost. Looking at some screenshots of the game, the script seems stiff and overly formal, much like how dire…

Is it possible for AIs in the future catch up those gags and meta humor in the language? Could the translation team have done a better job prompting the AI with the current technology? Afaik japanese media (manga) abuse alot the use of puns on its language due to the amount of homonyms on it.

ai translations of japanese still miss the point and screw up / hallucinate articles and subjects between passages (switching genders, for instance, 3 times in one paragraph)

Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by pimlottc »

jsheard wrote: post #23
ndiddy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Github repo ( https://github.com/ExxistanceDC/Segagaga-English-Translation ), the translation went through a process called MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. > What I call the “playtesting translation” — a base trans…

> MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. And the consensus among professional translators is that MTPE only saves time if you're willing to accept a half-assed result. For them to edit MT up to the standard of manual translation t…

It’s also used to shortchange professional translators by paying them a lower rate for MTPE jobs

Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by manytimesaway »

sublinear wrote: post #6

> this really was the white whale translation of the Dreamcast library, there was a lot riding on this project I don't understand... what is riding on this? I have never heard of this game, but based on this blog post I can see why it's a "white whale". It's precisely why I don't think this was a good use of AI at all.

Segagaga is a one-of-a-kind oddity on a console full of one-of-a-kind oddities, and it's been pretty hard to translate. It's been on the backburner for years.

Re: Segagaga Has Been Translated into English

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Post by tomalbrc »

ndiddy wrote: post #21
RobRivera wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on what I read in the article, MT was used as an experiment and proof of concept, and dedicated translation was done for the full release. Was that not the case? Was the workflow MT -> human translation? If so thats honestly such a lazy followthru given the technical hurdles overcome wrt the font tech

From the Github repo ( https://github.com/ExxistanceDC/Segagaga-English-Translation ), the translation went through a process called MTPE (Machine translation, post-editing). This works just like it sounds. The initial translation is done with machine translation, then human translators review and edit the resulting translation to try to correct any mistakes. > What I call the “playtesting translation” — a base trans…

And according to contributors like 645 it’s a bad machine translation.
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