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Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by mikestew »

j_walter wrote: post #10
QuercusMax wrote: post #4

Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

So just get rid of TSA and have no security? They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year, but that should be no big deal right? They didn't force this person through the scanner, they could have asked for a supervisor and discussed the situation. Don't trust the people at the bottom of any organization if you have a concern.

So just get rid of TSA and have no security?

No one suggested that. What do you think we did 30 years ago (look it up if you have to)? That, and locked cockpit doors: what value-add is TSA over procedures from 30 years ago?

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by Macha »

youarentrightjr wrote: post #20
hparadiz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad that this is getting down voted. What have we become.

There's been a slow shift here over the past decade, from "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" to "If you don't agree with what I think a nanny state should be doing you're a terrible person" What I wonder is if this is brought on by a demographic shift or a viewpoint shift among the same demographic.

It feels like there's different restrictions pushed by different groups. Gen Z is pretty prudish and seems to be the most in support of some of the adult content or internet censorship, while anti-LGBT/bathroom policing/etc seems to be more of the older generations.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by ceejayoz »

kube-system wrote: post #29
ceejayoz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year… They don't exactly have a great track record in that regard. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-... "In all, so-called "Red Teams" of Homeland Security agents posing as passengers were able get weapons past TSA agents in 67 out of 70 tests — a 95 percent failure rate, according to agency officials." (Don't worry, though. They fixed…

They're not mutually exclusive things. Red-teamers often have quite a bit of expertise and are smarter than your average threat. And the point of these exercises is precisely to continually improve in response to the findings. But alas, most of the people who bring guns on to planes aren't threats anyway (at least not in the typical sense), they're idiots who forgot their CCW in their bag.

> Red-teamers often have quite a bit of expertise and are smarter than your average threat.

That is not super comforting.

> And the point of these exercises is precisely to continually improve in response to the findings.

Then they should proudly release some more recent results showing that improvement!

> Most of the people who bring guns on to planes aren't trying to hide anything at all, they're idiots who forgot their CCW in their bag.

Which means they aren't even bothering trying to hide it.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by ssl-3 »

hparadiz wrote: post #16
QuercusMax wrote: post #4

Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

It's sad that this is getting down voted. What have we become.

There's all kinds of people in the world. It's good to be accepting.

It is fine by me that a person might have a powerful lust for the taste of boot leather. I don't kink shame.

I just wish I didn't have to be a part of it.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by meatmanek »

I want to know more about the mechanism of damage to a spinal implant from (what I assume is) a millimeter-wave scanner. I would expect millimeter waves to not penetrate very deeply -- Wikipedia says "typically less than 1 mm" (their citation for that is behind a paywall though.) Seems like an implant should be more than 1mm below the surface.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by Trasmatta »

I have type 1 diabetes and have a CGM and insulin pump on me at all times. The manufacturers say you shouldn't take them through the scanners, but me and every diabetic I know has never experienced any issues with the devices, so most of us just go through the scanner and then have to be patted down anyway because it picks up the device.

I dread it every time, because when I've tried to inform TSA agents ahead of time about my medical devices (which all the signs tell you to do!) they either ignore me or just tell me to go through. And then when I don't mention it, I frequently get berated on the other side, while they do the swab test for explosives.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by Gibbon1 »

Buttons840 wrote: post #23
QuercusMax wrote: post #4

Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

You say abolish TSA. That's a "how"; let me ask you about outcomes to better understand. Are you suggesting that the level of security at airports be reduced? Are you suggesting that people and object that get onto planes be given less scrutiny?

So every year the TSA wastes about 60,000 man years.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by justin66 »

Buttons840 wrote: post #23
QuercusMax wrote: post #4

Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

You say abolish TSA. That's a "how"; let me ask you about outcomes to better understand. Are you suggesting that the level of security at airports be reduced? Are you suggesting that people and object that get onto planes be given less scrutiny?

I think the OP's meaning was entirely clear and engaging with your questions could only obscure their message.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Post by realo »

Buttons840 wrote: post #23
QuercusMax wrote: post #4

Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

You say abolish TSA. That's a "how"; let me ask you about outcomes to better understand. Are you suggesting that the level of security at airports be reduced? Are you suggesting that people and object that get onto planes be given less scrutiny?

Someone in the thread mentioned that in a red team test 95% of the guns were passed undetected under the very noses of your TSA.

That is what you call security?

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